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Offline kevglass

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« Posted 2009-01-08 16:52:40 »

Any chance we could stop the incescent bickering between supporting the various technologies that provide similar or the same functionality? It's all very nice to be behind a particular library or whatever, but it's really crap to read thread after thread derailed by the need for one zealot or another to pimp their particular point of view or blindly favored library - worse still when it gets heated or goes off track into a completing java gaming unrelated topic. I'm sure I'm as guilty as the next poster, but I'll try to keep it in mind if you do.

Cheers,

Kev

Offline princec

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-01-08 16:58:21 »

...but... it's fun!

Cas Smiley

Offline kevglass

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-01-08 17:00:47 »

Fun, but counter productive.

Kev

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Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-01-08 17:01:07 »

Yeah, you're totally right.
[size=4pt]JOGL suck! Don't use it, use LWJGL instead! ; - )[/size]

See my work:
OTC Software
Offline Scarzzurs
« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-01-08 17:28:34 »

In general i agree. Just because you don't support a particular library doesn't mean you should hesitate towards helping out with another.
Besides you stand a much better change of hijacking people from the other side if you seem friendly rather than reserved.
That being said i think it is fair to advertise that you prefer another library, as long as it doesn't harm others.

But really JavaGaming.org is far from the worst community i've met, so i think we're doing ok actually. :-)

[Offtopic]
On that note i've tried to get help with JOGL online using IRC a couple of times but with little luck.
If we don't have a IRC chat for JavaGaming.org, i'd strongly suggest one. Otherwise i'd like to know where it is, so i can join :-)

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Offline woogley
« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-01-08 17:41:02 »

Well, the important thing is we don't point fingers.

gouessej.

Also.. LWJGL 4 life, JavaFX 4 life, C# 4 life, etc.
Offline princec

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-01-08 18:19:54 »

gouessej is famously inflammatory Smiley But I find that sort of fun too.

Cas Smiley

Offline cylab

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-01-08 18:21:09 »

And while we are at it - stop user bashing  Kiss

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Offline Riven
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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-01-08 18:33:15 »

Noted. persecutioncomplex

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Offline princec

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-01-08 18:35:34 »

Yeah, let's get back to Sun / Java bashing. The hand that feeds me has never tasted so good!

Cas Smiley

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Offline gouessej
« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-01-08 19:16:17 »

Well, the important thing is we don't point fingers.

gouessej.

Also.. LWJGL 4 life, JavaFX 4 life, C# 4 life, etc.
Lol. I think that I'm too tired to get angry.

I'm sure I'm as guilty as the next poster, but I'll try to keep it in mind if you do.
Maybe you are. I don't remember who said my main game is a piece of shit with OpenGL underneath, I should sleep more. I'm a bit blunt but I'm really happy to see more and more Java games.

Offline Riven
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« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-01-08 19:51:27 »

Maybe you are. I don't remember who said my main game is a piece of shit with OpenGL underneath

The irony is, that if you search for "piece of shit" (which has surprisingly few hits), only you, gouessej, seem to mention it in the context of your game.

Feel free to prove me wrong Wink

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Offline kevglass

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-01-08 19:52:28 »

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But really JavaGaming.org is far from the worst community i've met, so i think we're doing ok actually. :-)

Yeah, I think that's true, but I think it's managed to stay that way because people have the balls to stand up and tell people to stop being idiots when they're acting like them. The cost of freedom is constant vigilance.

Kev

Offline bienator

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OutOfCoffeeException


« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-01-08 19:53:38 »

And while we are at it - stop user bashing  Kiss
assuming i haven't yet bashed someone, do I still have one free?  Cheesy

Offline ChrisM

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Luke...END OF LINE


« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-01-08 21:14:42 »

[sticks head in the room]

Hey all!  What's going on?

***CRACK***

OW! MY HEAD! Who approved the use of bats in here?!?!?!

CCAAAAAASSSSS!!!

Offline gouessej
« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-01-08 21:18:34 »

The irony is, that if you search for "piece of shit" (which has surprisingly few hits), only you, gouessej, seem to mention it in the context of your game.

Feel free to prove me wrong Wink
I used this expression to criticize some detractors of my project after one of them used it against me. This is called humour and maybe self-derision.

Offline Martin Strand

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-01-08 22:04:12 »

lol the Internet is a funny place Smiley
Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-01-08 22:19:32 »

I used this expression to criticize some detractors of my project after one of them used it against me. This is called humour and maybe self-derision.

ORLY?!?!?!?!?!1!!!?!?!1!1!!one!!?!?

He was saying that if you search for that wording nobody has ever used it except you.

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Offline gouessej
« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-01-09 00:04:31 »

ORLY?!?!?!?!?!1!!!?!?!1!1!!one!!?!?

He was saying that if you search for that wording nobody has ever used it except you.
I understand what he said but I remember someone else used these terms about my game or something very close. It is one o'clock in France, then my neurons are not very competitive.

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-01-09 00:08:43 »

Yes, but his point was that there's no proof that anybody ever did use that (or a similar statement) against you. I have personally never once seen anyone say anything so detracting about anyone's work on this site. I've seen a few people being gruff to newbies asking stupid questions, but in games showcase people have always been supportive, or haven't said anything at all.

If someone did say something along those lines, therefore, I think it's logical to assume that the reason for the comment was based on context... something you said first, perhaps? I know that I've seen you build up TUER in a few posts as if it is some grand achievement and better than most other peoples' work. And you can certainly call it a grand achievement, because it is. But everyone's work is, and if start propping it up like it's better than some other stuff or you make comparisons to other work, then you're inviting people to make comparisons to yours.

See my work:
OTC Software
Offline Mr_Light

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shiny.


« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-01-09 01:03:41 »

I've seen a few people being gruff to newbies

I'm sorry I'm sorry...  Cry

wait... what does gruff mean?  Huh

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

The gospel of brother Riven: "The guarantee that all bugs are in *your* code is worth gold." Amen brother a-m-e-n.
Offline SimonH
« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-01-09 01:03:53 »

Loooool!

Moral of this story: Don't start a 'no bickering' thread!

People make games and games make people
Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2009-01-09 07:29:54 »

I'm sorry I'm sorry...  Cry

wait... what does gruff mean?  Huh
"Abrupt or taciturn in manner." Like the Billy Goats Gruff.  Tongue

Not necessarily such a big deal. We need gruff people in this world.

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Offline kevglass

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2009-01-09 08:16:04 »

</deleted>

In short, theres very little point to this any of this any more.

Fck it.

Kev

Offline gouessej
« Reply #24 - Posted 2009-01-09 08:56:57 »

Yes, but his point was that there's no proof that anybody ever did use that (or a similar statement) against you. I have personally never once seen anyone say anything so detracting about anyone's work on this site. I've seen a few people being gruff to newbies asking stupid questions, but in games showcase people have always been supportive, or haven't said anything at all.
Don't forget that people can modify their posts and I'm sure someone did it because I don't find the post in which a guy said that my game is "souless", I remember this exact word because this was the first time I read it in my life and I wondered what it meant. It is easy to start a thread to accuse some people after erasing evidences against oneself. However, nobody here has used insults against me as far as I know. Someone wrote this in happypenguin.org:
Quote
To the author, you're pathetic. You rated your own game at 5 stars and most of the comments here are you trying to defend this piece of shit. You're claming it slow because you used slow algorithms, here's an idea, shut up and fix it.
Quote
This world is definitely moving into the wrong direction. Museum. Robots. Rocket launcher. JAVA. Author, please die.


If someone did say something along those lines, therefore, I think it's logical to assume that the reason for the comment was based on context... something you said first, perhaps? I know that I've seen you build up TUER in a few posts as if it is some grand achievement and better than most other peoples' work. And you can certainly call it a grand achievement, because it is. But everyone's work is, and if start propping it up like it's better than some other stuff or you make comparisons to other work, then you're inviting people to make comparisons to yours.
Maybe they misunderstood what I meant or what I said was not clear, I'm sorry for those who felt upset and angry because of me. My engine may be a bit faster than some other engines only in some very particular situations but not in the general case. However, I get a better frame rate than engines using only software rendering.

Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2009-01-09 13:41:01 »

</deleted>

In short, theres very little point to this any of this any more.

Fck it.

Kev
*Mr_Light gives Kev a great big hug.  Smiley




hmm I hope everyone got it out of their system now.

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2009-01-09 16:00:01 »

There's mischief left in me yet.

Cas Smiley

Offline Eli Delventhal

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2009-01-09 18:10:55 »

Fair enough, Julian. Can't take those "please die" comments to heart though. The Internet is a cesspool of them, JGO being one of the few places that avoids them for the most part.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2009-01-09 20:13:41 »

Please die.

Cas Smiley

Offline gouessej
« Reply #29 - Posted 2009-01-09 20:45:24 »

Fair enough, Julian. Can't take those "please die" comments to heart though. The Internet is a cesspool of them, JGO being one of the few places that avoids them for the most part.
You're right and now, since anonymous cannot post on happypenguin.org, nobody insults me Cheesy

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