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Offline DzzD
« Posted 2008-10-17 00:21:40 »

3DzzD have few visitors in comparaison of other websites but using analitycs on a cupple of webpage it grab some usefull informations,  here are some statistics for last month that can be usefull for Web development.

would be really cool and usefull if someone can post similar one but with a higer traffic, as this one may not be very smart ?

so a good target audience could be Java with IE/FF on Windows for a screen higer or equals to 1024*768 using 32bit

OS:
1. Windows 85,88 %  
2. Macintosh   8,54 %  
3. Linux   5,48 %  
4. FreeBSD    0,05 %  
5. SunOS   0,05 %

Java (not sure google detect 1.1 ?):
1. Yes  91,75 %  
2. No  8,25 %

Flash:
1. 9.0 r124    72,30 %  
2. 9.0 r115    10,92 %  
3. 9.0 r47    3,93 %  
4. (not set)    3,78 %  probably no flash ?
5. 9.0 r45    3,64 %  
6. 9.0 r28    1,02 %  
7. 10.0 b218    0,87 %  
8. 8.0 r22    0,53 %  
9. 10.0 r12    0,49 %  
10. 7.0 r19    0,29 %  
11. 9.0 r16    0,29 %  
12. 9.0 r48    0,29 %  
13. 10.0 r2    0,19 %  
14. 10.0.0 d525    0,19 %  
15. 8.0 r24    0,19 %  
16. 10.0 r1    0,15 %  
17. 10.0 r0    0,10 %  
18. 4.0 (GPLFLash)   0,10 %  
19. 9.0 r19    0,10 %  
20. 10.0 d26    0,05 %  
21. 10.0 d525    0,05 %  
22. 10.0 d536    0,05 %  
23. 10.0.2 d26    0,05 %  
24. 6.0 r79    0,05 %  
25. 6.0 r88    0,05 %  
26. 7.0 r25    0,05 %  
27. 8.0 (Gnash)    0,05 %  
28. 9.0 (Gnash)    0,05 %  
29. 9.0 r100    0,05 %  
30. 9.0 r125    0,05 %  
31. 9.0 r31    0,05 %  
32. 9.0 r64    0,05 %



Browsers/OS :
1. Firefox / Windows   49,01 %  
2. Internet Explorer / Windows   29,79 %  
3. Firefox / Macintosh    4,42 %  
4. Safari / Macintosh    3,78 %  
5. Opera / Windows    3,74 %  
6. Firefox / Linux    3,15 %  
7. Chrome / Windows    2,47 %  
8. Mozilla / Linux    1,80 %  
9. Safari / Windows    0,63 %  
10. Konqueror / Linux    0,34 %  
11. Opera / Linux    0,19 %  
12. Opera / Macintosh    0,19 %  
13. Mozilla / Windows    0,15 %  
14. Mozilla / Macintosh    0,10 %  
15. Camino / Macintosh    0,05 %  
16. Firefox / FreeBSD    0,05 %  
17. Firefox / SunOS    0,05 %  
18. Netscape / Windows    0,05 %  
19. SeaMonkey / Windows    0,05 %


Screen bit depth:
1. 32-bit  83,02 %  
2. 24-bit  11,84 %  
3. 16-bit  5,14 %

Screen resolution:
1. 1024x768    26,01 %  
2. 1280x1024    22,61 %  
3. 1680x1050    12,32 %  
4. 1280x800    12,18 %  
5. 1440x900  8,78 %  
6. 1920x1200    5,19 %  
7. 1400x1050    2,52 %  
8. 1152x864    2,13 %  
9. 1600x1200    2,13 %  
10. 800x600    1,26 %  
11. 1280x768    0,97 %  
12. 1280x960    0,73 %  
13. 1024x600    0,53 %  
14. 2560x1600    0,39 %  
15. 1360x768    0,29 %  
16. 1600x1024    0,24 %  
17. 1536x960    0,19 %  
18. 1280x720    0,15 %  
19. 1344x840    0,15 %  
20. 1152x720    0,10 %  
21. 1366x768    0,10 %  
22. 2560x1024    0,10 %  
23. 832x624    0,10 %  
24. 969x768    0,10 %  
25. 1050x1680    0,05 %  
26. 1152x870    0,05 %  
27. 1200x1600    0,05 %  
28. 1280x638    0,05 %  
29. 1280x854    0,05 %  
30. 1360x1024    0,05 %  
31. 1440x852    0,05 %  
32. 1600x900    0,05 %  
33. 1680x945    0,05 %  
34. 1920x1080    0,05 %  
35. 2560x800    0,05 %  
36. 3840x1024   0,05 %  
37. 747x597    0,05 %  
38. 768x1024    0,05 %  
39. 960x600    0,05 %

Countries:
1. United States
2. France  
3. Germany  
4. United Kingdom
5. South Korea  
6. China  
7. Spain  
8. Lithuania
9. Russia  
10. Canada  
11. Italy  
12. Netherlands
13. Switzerland
14. India  
15. Belgium
16. Brazil  
17. Australia
18. Finland  
19. Poland  
20. Sweden  
21. Thailand  
22. Hungary  
23. Hong Kong
24. Philippines
25. Romania
26. Ireland
27. Turkey  
28. Tunisia  
29. Czech Republic
30. Greece  
31. New Zealand
32. Denmark
33. Mongolia
34. Malaysia
35. Israel
36. Portugal
37. Colombia
38. Ukraine  
39. Indonesia
40. Slovakia
41. Mexico
42. Japan  
43. Taiwan  
44. Senegal    
45. Austria    
46. Singapore  
47. Norway    
48. Vietnam  
49. Egypt    
50. Bulgaria    
51. Pakistan    
52. Slovenia    
53. Croatia    
54. Serbia    
55. Uruguay  
56. Argentina    
57. South Africa    
58. Peru    
59. Algeria    
60. Iran    
61. Chile    
62. Morocco    
63. Saudi Arabia    
64. Bangladesh    
65. United Arab Emirates    
66. Reunion    
67. Puerto Rico    
68. Malta    
69. Latvia    
70. Monaco    
71. Brunei    
72. Cyprus    
73. Macedonia    
74. Iraq    
75. Kenya    
76. (not set)    
77. Iceland    
78. Bolivia    
79. Uzbekistan    
80. Venezuela    
81. Mauritius    
82. Moldova    
83. San Marino  
84. Luxembourg  
85. Tanzania    
86. Georgia    
87. Palestinian Territory    
88. Albania    
89. French Polynesia    
90. Belarus  
91. Sri Lanka  




Offline gouessej
« Reply #1 - Posted 2008-10-17 11:26:47 »

You seem to target mainly Windows... If you want, I can post my figures, I have about 1400 distinct visitors per month.

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2008-10-17 11:41:42 »

would be really cool and usefull if someone can post similar one but with a higer traffic, as this one may not be very smart ?

If this is something you've written yourself, consider switching to Google Analytics (which is what I use). It's free and very easy to integrate and generates very robust stats. Pretty graphs too as a bonus. Smiley

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2008-10-17 20:39:42 »

Google Analitics calls JavaScript: Java

so.......... Angry

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #4 - Posted 2008-10-20 20:19:57 »

If this is something you've written yourself, consider switching to Google Analytics (which is what I use). It's free and very easy to integrate and generates very robust stats. Pretty graphs too as a bonus. Smiley
those are already analitycs results, but I found that it is also good to merge with serverside (as analitycs is client side)

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Google Analitics calls JavaScript: Java
is it the test used for Java enable, this will mean not working on some browser as opera right ??

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You seem to target mainly Windows... If you want, I can post my figures, I have about 1400 distinct visitors per month.
this will certainly be interresting to see what is common (I do not target window user or anyothet, no special target at all, there are just less linux user than window I guess), but I would also like to see a higger traffic as something like more than 100000 users per month (dzzd.net do not have a lot of visitors but there is already some for a so specific web site, I got my maximum on july arround 12000 and 41500 page viewed (thanks to nehe....) and this year dzzd.net got around 3000 visitors and 20000 pages view per month).

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2008-10-20 21:13:33 »

There is simply no reliable way to determine whether Java is available in the browser,

other than embedding an applet that sends a message to the server which is logged (at which point Firefox screws up)


I came to this conclusion after months of using various approaches. window.navigator.javaEnabled is a joke: it reports whether you-have-not-forcibly-disabled-java (in some obscure properties window in MSIE). So it reports true when-you-did-not-disable-it, regardless of whether Java is installed.

On quite a few freshly bought laptops, I have installed Java, but it wouldn't work, as Java-was-forcibly-disabled by default, right out of the factory.

MSIE > extra > internet properties > tab[programs] > button[manage plugins] > find Java Plugin, and toggle the radiobutton to 'enabled'. Right... like anybody is going to find it, I pulled a few hairs!

So now that all fancy advanced javascripts that search for the JRE plugins report that Java is installed, it still won't work. Worse, quite some browsers report they don't have Java (either with trivial scripts or advanced stuff), but if you embed the applet, it gets launched (hurray!).

If you use <applet ...></applet> the message you get when you do not have Java, is horrible (and in MSIE even not pointing you to a download, but to the above mentioned obscure properties window). You really MUST use <object> and <embed>, which breaks in Firefox 3.0 (why!) and Safari - at least you know you have Java installed with Mac OS X.

So... anybody that collects statistics of installed Java versions without launching an applet and reporting back to the host server, has a massive error-margin.


Just a few stats of mine:
88% of the visitors' browsers of a non-tech-related site, report they have Java.
54% can launch the applet in 3 tries or less. (byebye customer)

Yes, even if you have Java (even 1.6.0_xx), the plugin tends to get into deadlock before your code is executed, or crashes on creating the bright orange preloader with some GraphicsConfiguration.createCompatibleImage problem (yes...) and then you got the Firefox plugin problems that prevent you from communicating with your hostserver.

I work for a company where I convinced my boss to use a Java applet (over javascript + DOM manipulation). That application is the main way to make customers customize their products, and thus keep the company going. After 6 months of struggling (!) we had to resort to a 'standalone version' of the applet (13MB, JRE embedded).

The Java Plugin user experience is CRAP, I could have learnt Flash in the meantime and finish a product that worked everywhere.




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Offline DzzD
« Reply #6 - Posted 2008-10-20 21:28:40 »

Quote
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Just a few stats of mine:
88% of the visitors' browsers of a non-tech-related site, report they have Java.
54% can launch the applet in 3 tries or less. (byebye customer)
...

arf ...  Cry java web user experience is worse than what I was thinking....
really sun MUST do something to improve the user experience for Java on the Web, if flash improve its language (and be sure flash is not stupid and that accelerated 3d will be on soon..) a day Java will totally disapear (for web client side) !!!

NB: I just think of a way that could work to detect java, this way ? <applet code="hasJava.php"></applet>

with hasJava.php logging that's the user have Java and return the readfile of the file hasJava.php.class

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2008-10-20 21:44:07 »

Hm... nice idea. I bet however that you must provide a MyClass.class file, which is a resource, not a file (with apache mod_rewrite for example).

Maybe it would work... (wanna try?)


About Sun fixing the Java Plugin... they have always focused on serverside / standalone apps. Only recently with 6u10 we see some improvement. So lets be optimistic and say 6u11 would be perfect... it would still take at least 5 years before 6u11 would have that penetration of >80%.

Java 1.1 and 1.4.2 are still very widespread, and will be for the coming years. They will only vanish when those computers vanish. After 1.5 the nagging 'update available' will bring most users the latest and greatest.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #8 - Posted 2008-10-21 17:15:17 »

hum wait you are right... a class ending with .php will fail but he!  will already have the information we want to Smiley, we just have to do the following server side on the apache logs:

grep hasJava.php | wc //to know number of user requesting the page with the applet
and
grep hasJava.class | wc //to know number of user with java enabled

no?


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« Reply #9 - Posted 2008-10-21 19:14:27 »

You're right, but...


don't forget <applet....> either triggers a very nasty dialog in MSIE, and an 'information page' that does not clearly tell you that you have to download Java, but tells you you have to change something in that obscure Plugin-management-window. So if you want to do it like that, you will basically confuse a lot of people.

And if java is installed, launching that applet for the first time *will* freeze your browser for a few seconds.

That is only just acceptable on a Java gaming site, I guess Smiley On a commercial site it won't be an option, although it would have given me some more information.


Anyway, you can make: /some_path_not_a_directory/MyApplet.class
which mod_rewrite rewrites to /my_binaries/MyAppletProvider.php
which writes all kinds of stats in the database, and then transfers /my_binaries/MyApplet.class

Now that you have an applet running, you can just as well connect to the host and tell the JRE version number, and put that in your database too.

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2008-10-24 16:40:16 »

If you're interested in the stacktrace of the Orange Preloader:

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Exception in thread "Thread-27" java.lang.NullPointerException
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.createTranslucentImage(Unknown Source)
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.createGradientShapeImage(Unknown Source)
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.initBackground(Unknown Source)
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.preloadResources(Unknown Source)
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.doPaint(Unknown Source)
   at sun.plugin.util.AnimationPanel.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


Applets hangs.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #11 - Posted 2008-10-24 20:01:47 »

yup, I got that too sometime randomly,  any idea ? workaround ?

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2008-10-28 14:35:53 »

There is simply no reliable way to determine whether Java is available in the browser,

other than embedding an applet that sends a message to the server which is logged (at which point Firefox screws up)

Huh? Works fine for me.

Oh, and if the .jar file pointed at by the <applet> tag is requested, the user probably has some kind of java installed.

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2008-10-28 20:30:34 »

Huh? Works fine for me.

In very specific situations the Firefox plugin throws AccessControlExceptions when connecting to your own host.

This is mainly the case when the first connect attempt is not on the EDT. So the workaround is to 'download' a tiny file (few bytes) from your host in the Applet.init() method. After that you can connect to your own host from every other thread too.

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2008-10-30 13:18:19 »

Cute. Thanks for the heads up, this is valuable information. =)

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2008-10-30 20:29:16 »

I nearly pulled my hear out before I came up with this solution.


It was either a workaround or losing 20% of our costumers. Angry

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2008-10-30 21:40:11 »

yup, I got that too sometime randomly,  any idea ? workaround ?
If I'm not mistaken the AnimationPanel is avoided entirely if you specify a background image.
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/special_attributes.html#image
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« Reply #17 - Posted 2008-10-31 01:29:06 »

MMM it suprised me that more people were using firefox than internet explorer!

By the way, what is the most popular version of jre used by people?
Offline DzzD
« Reply #18 - Posted 2008-10-31 17:33:54 »

MMM it suprised me that more people were using firefox than internet explorer!

By the way, what is the most popular version of jre used by people?
yes I also think this is a strange result too, but I got nearly the same results serverside with a completly different analyser. on some other websites I got rather 20% FF VS 40 % IE6 and 25% IE7

Offline gouessej
« Reply #19 - Posted 2008-11-17 09:12:55 »

yes I also think this is a strange result too, but I got nearly the same results serverside with a completly different analyser. on some other websites I got rather 20% FF VS 40 % IE6 and 25% IE7
I get 56.3 % of users with Firefox, 21.1 % users that launch TUER via JavaWebstart directly, 11.8 % with Internet Explorer, 3.5 % with Mozilla, 3.2 % with Safari, 2.7 % with Opera, 0.5 % with Konqueror, 0.1 % with Netscape and 0.2 % with an unknown browser. TUER might get more than 3000 different visitors this month which would be the best result since the beginning of the project in october 2006.

Offline DzzD
« Reply #20 - Posted 2008-11-22 15:10:14 »

interresting http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

so according to my stats but more on this one Smiley, the winner end user is :
Windows - Internet Explorer - 1024*768

but what about Java version ??

maybe http://kaioa.com/node/40

but I dont really trust those statisitcs... they sounds strange

EDIT: just notice they come from pulp games Smiley, so mmaybe can we have fresher stats Smiley

Offline DzzD
« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-04-10 00:23:46 »

it may be of interrest here some more stats :

a sample on 3dzzd website :
FPSSample9/index.html 823 => index acces
FPSSample9/FPSSample/FPSSample.3DS 562 => 3ds file loaded (applet run fine)

so as 3DzzD run in almost all platform this give us the following result ...

562/823 = 0.68 => 68% of computer can run java 1.1 or higher wich is not a lot Sad

another sample :

Viewer3D/index.html 3 026   
Viewer3D/Viewer3D.class 2 261   
Viewer3D/SAMPLE/USINE.3DS 2 012 

once again :

2012/3026 => 0.66 => 66%
7%seems to have trouble on downloadin the file (firewall or such)

and a last one :

ROAD8/index.html 626 
ROAD8/ROAD/ROAD.3DS 425   
ROAD8/Road.class 420

425/626 => 0.68-> 68 %


those are taken from server side but indicate that 68% of user that reach an html with 3DzzD Applet can run it, to be honest I was thinking it was less than that (network problem/java bug) this is finally pretty good results

EDIT:
also probably search engine and hack bot make the result a little worst than the reality


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