Buttons

[troggan]

Great looking buttons! Just like I wanted it !!

Congratulations!


Troggan

[ChrisM]

No problem!

-SG

[gregorypierce]

Perfect - just what we needed.

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[kevglass]

Already got me to read the Wiki and thats no small task

Kev

[Markus_Persson]

Whoa, buttons!!

I likes it. =)
You accidently missed the "Wurm Online" one, though.

[oNyx]

Hehe sweet

[blahblahblahh]

Is it just me, or did they shrink all of a sudden? I'm sure they were larger (and in a slightly different order) the other day ...

I'm not bothered about ordering , but until web-browsers improve (to the point of being able to zoom entire webpages in/out...) it'd be nice to have slightly bigger/clearer buttons (the text needs a 1-pixel black outline, at least on the top 10%, because it is fading into the white BG; It would also be nice if the fonr size were a little larger).

Apologies if anyone is still stuck in 640x480 here, and I'm in danger of removing their precious screen real-estate  . [although this should not be a problem for web-designers; the major browsers could all do this already - they just haven't implemented it yet ...Moz has been promising it for ages, but still not working]

[ChrisM]

Is it just me, or did they shrink all of a sudden? I'm sure they were larger (and in a slightly different order) the other day ...

I'm not bothered about ordering , but until web-browsers improve (to the point of being able to zoom entire webpages in/out...) it'd be nice to have slightly bigger/clearer buttons (the text needs a 1-pixel black outline, at least on the top 10%, because it is fading into the white BG; It would also be nice if the fonr size were a little larger).

Apologies if anyone is still stuck in 640x480 here, and I'm in danger of removing their precious screen real-estate  . [although this should not be a problem for web-designers; the major browsers could all do this already - they just haven't implemented it yet ...Moz has been promising it for ages, but still not working]

Colors: will consider changing if it's a REAL problem (but I think it looks cool )

Size: Plan on adding more selections shortly, so I need the room

Buttons: Changed from a series of buttons to a bar so it renders properly in all browsers

-SG

[blahblahblahh]

Colors: will consider changing if it's a REAL problem (but I think it looks cool )

Nothing wrong with the colours; I like the colours. Just an ultra-thin line around each letter would make it easier to read.

Now, on to the serious question ...what do we think the extra buttons will be for?

[ChrisM]

Ca't say JUST yet....but, check out the front page of Java.net/games.....no more "unloved page" will be found there

(More details to follow shortly)

-SG

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[Orangy Tang]

but until web-browsers improve (to the point of being able to zoom entire webpages in/out...)

*cough* Opera *cough*

No really, if you've not tried it go give it a whirl - worth it alone for the mouse gestures and MDI-ness.

[troggan]

oh boy....can't wait to see the changes .

*cough* mozilla has mouse-gestures, too (mozdev.org) *cough*

[blahblahblahh]

Nothing wrong with the colours; I like the colours. Just an ultra-thin line around each letter would make it easier to read.

I've just realised the problem is probably that you lot all have CRT monitors, or else good LCD screens.

Like all Dell-laptop owners, I'm cursed with a screen that goes from "brighter than car-headlights" all the way to "burn-a-hole-in-the-back-of-your-head".

No, really...I've used this laptop as a torch at night in the garden, or to find dropped keys in a keypark on a moonless night.

Colour reproduction tends to be really good, except that white is only ever ultra-white, and so ht otherwise sensible buttons come out 35% white, making the text much harder to see. Hence the need for outlines.

(on the plus side, these Dell LCD's are fantastically sharp. 1400x1050 at 15 inches, and you can still make out every pixel. Paper-flat, laser-printer sharp.)

[nlmueng]

blahblahblahh:  WebWindow browser allows you to zoom in and out of the page, and it is written in java.  

http://www.javio.com/

[cfmdobbie]

Or to go slightly more main-stream, what's wrong with Mozilla's zooming capability?  I guess I don't quite understand what you mean by "entire". :-/

No, really...I've used this laptop as a torch at night in the garden, or to find dropped keys in a keypark on a moonless night.

Heh, I added a phosphor-coated cylinder filled with radioactive gas to my keyring, so I can always see where they are!

[blahblahblahh]

Or to go slightly more main-stream, what's wrong with Mozilla's zooming capability?  I guess I don't quite understand what you mean by "entire". :-/

Sorry - what zooming capability? Moz doesn't zoom pages and can't even properly zoom text (lots of bugs), AFAIAA. And, being CC:'d on the bug reports where many many people have been begging and pleading for zooming to be fixed / added to Moz for well over a year, I've seen no sign of a fix yet...

[cfmdobbie]

Sorry - what zooming capability? Moz doesn't zoom pages and can't even properly zoom text (lots of bugs), AFAIAA. And, being CC:'d on the bug reports where many many people have been begging and pleading for zooming to be fixed / added to Moz for well over a year, I've seen no sign of a fix yet...

Again, I don't get what you mean by "zoom pages" in that statement.  I can press CTRL+ or CTRL- to increase and decrease the text size (but not the graphics).  Is this not what you're talking about?

This is obviously a difference in terminology, but I just don't know what yours is!

[blahblahblahh]

Again, I don't get what you mean by "zoom pages" in that statement.  I can press CTRL+ or CTRL- to increase and decrease the text size (but not the graphics).  Is this not what you're talking about?

This is obviously a difference in terminology, but I just don't know what yours is!

Um, we've been talking about the "Buttons" on JGO, which are just images. Mozilla has had on it's RFE's for a very long time a plan to have zoomable web pages [like looking through a magnirying glass - all pixels are zoomed, not just changed font size) (IIRC, Opera already has this?). Some of the moz developers drew a lot of criticism for deciding they wouldn't fix bugs with the text zoom feature "because it will all be obseleted by the page-zoom feature"...which zooms text and grahpics perfectly.

The point they were making is that if you just zoom text, you screw up the layout of a page. If you zoom text+graphics on a pixel-basis, you can maintain the page layout perfectly.

Most of the responses were either "I don't have trouble with images, I don't want them to zoom - it's just some stupid web 'designers' who use 6-pt fonts or similar" or "HTML is meant to be a dynamic/client-based layout - there's no WYSIWYG guarantees. Just because Mozilla's stylesheet layout engine still has bugs isn't a reason not to zoom text" (note: for a long while, zooming text in mozilla would cause it to flow outside of it's boundaries in ways that shouldn't happen according to the CSS spec. AFAIAA these are mostly/all fixed now).

P.S. the most annoying bugs with text zoom still haven't been fixed (it's not remembered from session to session, nor is it remembered from tab to tab), although they have quite a few votes .

[cfmdobbie]

Ah, gotcha.  Yeah, that would be nice to see - I'll have to keep an eye on it now...

I have to say I was recently rather horrified to notice that while IE allowed you to increase and decrease the text size, this facility didn't apply to any text that had been explicitly sized by the page author.  Um, excuse me?  Isn't that the *whole problem*?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Charlie's First Law of Software: In general, software sucks.

[blahblahblahh]

Ah, gotcha.  Yeah, that would be nice to see - I'll have to keep an eye on it now...

I have to say I was recently rather horrified to notice that while IE allowed you to increase and decrease the text size, this facility didn't apply to any text that had been explicitly sized by the page author.  Um, excuse me?  Isn't that the *whole problem*?

Yup, that's [was; I think it's fixed now...see below] one of the outstanding bugs with Moz, too. Argument put forward by one of the developers "if the web-developer wants it that way...". Unsurprisingly, that didn't go down well...It's just a good thing that not ALL moz devs are self-centred idiots.

It's quite depressing how much argument has been necessary for some people on the buglist to finally accept that moz needs to override ALL font settings, and just setting a "minimum pt size for fonts" is nowhere near enough (aside from the fact that it doesn't always work ).

[Actually, it's been a while since I found a site that moz couldn't resize the text - that bug at least may now have been fixed. It certainly wasn't in time for 1.2, and IIRC still wasn't perfect in 1.3, but I don't have any "known sites" to test it on...]