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Offline bahuman

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« Reply #120 - Posted 2008-06-01 12:42:45 »

Hiya all !

First off, great work on the JGT! It will definitely make browsing through the game show cases a lot easier!
I have a suggestion for a feature:

Why don't you implement "labels"?
- It's the new fashion. Many great sites do it, these days. Think flickr, gmail, ...
- It's easy for authors to link labels they feel are appropriate for their game. That means: low-maintenance for the site admins.
- Authors can create new labels, and the site would work without adjusting code. Again: low-maintenance.
- It's multi-dimensional. You can have labels for ...
  * technology used (lwjgl, jogl, JME, ...),
  * game genre (puzzle, action, rpg, fps, ...),
  * license type (free (beer), free (speach), open source, shareware, commercial, gpl, ...)
  * installation technique (webstart, jar, applet, ...)
  * OS support (unix, linux, sun, wintel, mac, OSX, ...)
  * development stage (tech demo, prototype, beta, finished, ...)
- There are tons of ways to navigate and search labels, but under the hood they all translate to very simple, logical queries
  * most popular labels
  * games per label
  * games similar to this game (fuzzy search on a set of labels, I'm just dreaming here  Grin)
- The technology is simple. You need a table called "label", and an m-to-n linktable called "labelsforgames", that's all!
Offline gouessej
« Reply #121 - Posted 2008-06-01 13:21:31 »

Hiya all !

First off, great work on the JGT! It will definitely make browsing through the game show cases a lot easier!
I have a suggestion for a feature:

Why don't you implement "labels"?
- It's the new fashion. Many great sites do it, these days. Think flickr, gmail, ...
- It's easy for authors to link labels they feel are appropriate for their game. That means: low-maintenance for the site admins.
- Authors can create new labels, and the site would work without adjusting code. Again: low-maintenance.
- It's multi-dimensional. You can have labels for ...
  * technology used (lwjgl, jogl, JME, ...),
  * game genre (puzzle, action, rpg, fps, ...),
  * license type (free (beer), free (speach), open source, shareware, commercial, gpl, ...)
  * installation technique (webstart, jar, applet, ...)
  * OS support (unix, linux, sun, wintel, mac, OSX, ...)
  * development stage (tech demo, prototype, beta, finished, ...)
- There are tons of ways to navigate and search labels, but under the hood they all translate to very simple, logical queries
  * most popular labels
  * games per label
  * games similar to this game (fuzzy search on a set of labels, I'm just dreaming here  Grin)
- The technology is simple. You need a table called "label", and an m-to-n linktable called "labelsforgames", that's all!

Thank you, Christoph, Elijah and me will go on improving the JGT. Your suggestion is interesting. I may plan to implement it later but "labels" won't replace some existent categories and the most important points:
- games that are not supported on the 3 main families of operating system won't appear in the main panel, maybe they will appear in a subsection of the incubator in order to discourage platform-dependent game developing, it will depend on the rules fixed in the JGTPAT (Java(tm) Game Tome Player Acceptance Tests)
- a game that uses only the JDK works under Linux, Windows, Mac and some Unix (Solaris at least, HPUX, AIX...)
- I already plan to add a way of showing if a game is open source or not
- I'm not sure your suggestion will reduce the maintenance as we will control which "labels" are created to avoid non game-related labels and useless labels (labels that already exist in another form, concerning existent criteria)
I appreciate suggestions related on new features but I don't find enough time to implement lots of things that have already been planned for some weeks. Therefore, I ask everybody to be very very patient.

Offline Bonbon-Chan

JGO Coder


Medals: 12



« Reply #122 - Posted 2008-06-01 16:45:09 »

Under your screenshot, there is a section called "Update Info".
I was looking for it in the info page of the game.

I hope you agree with the addition of your game on the Tome. I'm going to update the small screenshot now.
Yes yes, don't sweet it  Wink

It is not yet possible to provide 2 images.
It is just a sugestion.
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Offline gouessej
« Reply #123 - Posted 2008-06-02 05:24:48 »

I was looking for it in the info page of the game.
Yes yes, don't sweet it  Wink
It is just a sugestion.

Ok fine. Actually, it would be better to have a gallery of screenshot rather than one. I don't know when I will implement this. I'm too much busy now.

Offline SimonH
« Reply #124 - Posted 2008-06-04 16:08:12 »

Here's one for JGT; Hunchy

People make games and games make people
Offline gouessej
« Reply #125 - Posted 2008-06-04 22:02:25 »

Here's one for JGT; Hunchy
Thank you very much, I'm going to add it tomorrow after some deeper tests. It works under Linux. I can't test it under mac :s

Offline ChrisM

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END OF LINE.


« Reply #126 - Posted 2008-06-04 23:47:36 »

Thank you very much, I'm going to add it tomorrow after some deeper tests. It works under Linux. I can't test it under mac :s

Works fine under OS X Smiley

Offline gouessej
« Reply #127 - Posted 2008-06-05 04:52:30 »

Works fine under OS X Smiley
Ok fine, thank you for testing. Here we go!  Grin

Offline gouessej
« Reply #128 - Posted 2008-06-05 05:08:41 »

Can you provide a screenshot Simon please? Would you like to add Taipei into the Tome too?

Offline SimonH
« Reply #129 - Posted 2008-06-05 13:55:10 »

Here's a screenshot;



Not sure about Taipei; it's not really a game...

People make games and games make people
Games published by our own members! Check 'em out!
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Offline gouessej
« Reply #130 - Posted 2008-06-05 17:02:32 »

Hunchy has been added. Don't forget to put your name as you're the author I suppose, don't you?

Can someone test the following games under Mac OS X?
http://www.gamefight.org/fight/will/pelter/
http://www.istarion.de/games/highnoon/highnoon.jnlp
http://www.istarion.de/games/albareth/albareth.jnlp

Offline Mr. Gol

Senior Member


Medals: 1



« Reply #131 - Posted 2008-06-07 10:46:31 »

Hunchy has been added. Don't forget to put your name as you're the author I suppose, don't you?

Can someone test the following games under Mac OS X?
http://www.gamefight.org/fight/will/pelter/
Runs fine
http://www.istarion.de/games/highnoon/highnoon.jnlp
Runs fine
http://www.istarion.de/games/albareth/albareth.jnlp
Rune fine

System info: MacBook (Core 2 Duo), Mac OS X 10.5.3, Java 5.
Offline gouessej
« Reply #132 - Posted 2008-06-07 11:27:41 »

System info: MacBook (Core 2 Duo), Mac OS X 10.5.3, Java 5.
Did the games work for you then?

Offline Simeon

Senior Newbie





« Reply #133 - Posted 2008-06-07 12:11:23 »

Did the games work for you then?

All three run fine (see the quoted part of his post).
Offline gouessej
« Reply #134 - Posted 2008-06-07 12:31:17 »

All three run fine (see the quoted part of his post).
You're right, I work too much, I'm tired, sorry.

Offline Scarzzurs
« Reply #135 - Posted 2008-06-18 08:01:57 »

Is it possible for HydroHydra to change screenshot from that stretched out image, to a real screenshot? :-)
I have a few here:
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/ScreenShot06b.png
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/DescriptionAnemones.png
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/ScreenShot09.png
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/ScreenShot13.png
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/ScreenShot10.png
http://scarzzurs.dk/HydroHydra/Splash.png

Thanks for adding 2 of my games btw. :-)

- Scarzzurs

My games and Projects:
BlastingPixels.com,
Old website
Offline gouessej
« Reply #136 - Posted 2008-06-18 10:52:18 »

Your games are welcome at the Tome Smiley . The images are scaled (200*200). You can update the screenshot by yourself by clicking on "Update Info". Then, I will check that nothing is wrong and your update will be taken into account. Therefore, please provide images that won't need to be scaled.

Offline Eli Delventhal

JGO Kernel


Medals: 42
Projects: 11
Exp: 10 years


Game Engineer


« Reply #137 - Posted 2008-06-27 16:18:07 »

The game tome is looking good, but when are you goes going to redesign it? I think there are too many images on one page and it's unclear what link goes with what.

See my work:
OTC Software
Offline gouessej
« Reply #138 - Posted 2008-06-27 23:37:34 »

The game tome is looking good, but when are you goes going to redesign it? I think there are too many images on one page and it's unclear what link goes with what.
Sorry to be so "direct" as I would say in French but when are you going to invest much time in the construction of the Java Game Tome? When are you going to implement at least a system to comment games as a first step before adding a complete fully functional forum? You only gave me a little help at the beginning and now you wake up. I think that your attitude is strange, unsuitable and improper.

Like you, I have been working on several projects, mainly TUER, some tutorials in French and the legal status of the Foundation, it requires a lot of time, especially the last one. If people wait for the new look and feel to add their games into the Tome, I won't improve the L&F. I expect Java programmers to encourage the Tome by adding their games and THEN I will improve the look and feel.

Offline Eli Delventhal

JGO Kernel


Medals: 42
Projects: 11
Exp: 10 years


Game Engineer


« Reply #139 - Posted 2008-06-28 01:14:17 »

Hey man, I never meant to be mean about it! I was just pointing out what should be adjusted next.

I fully admit that I have done little to nothing to aid the project. I have been gone camping for very long periods of time, and will be gone for another 21 days soon. I also have many things on my plate that are higher priority than the site.

But, if you want me to spend time designing the format and GUI of the site, I could do that this week. I would enjoy doing it, in fact. I don't feel like dealing with any code, but I can create a site template, logo, and graphics that you can plug it into.

See my work:
OTC Software
Offline gouessej
« Reply #140 - Posted 2008-06-28 09:04:54 »

Hey man, I never meant to be mean about it! I was just pointing out what should be adjusted next.

I fully admit that I have done little to nothing to aid the project. I have been gone camping for very long periods of time, and will be gone for another 21 days soon. I also have many things on my plate that are higher priority than the site.

But, if you want me to spend time designing the format and GUI of the site, I could do that this week. I would enjoy doing it, in fact. I don't feel like dealing with any code, but I can create a site template, logo, and graphics that you can plug it into.
I expected that you could deal with the code. Now, it's clear, I realize that I will be alone to code (a huge task as there are many things to implement). We already have a template thanks to Christoph.

Offline noblemaster

JGO Ninja


Medals: 20
Projects: 10


Age of Conquest makes your day!


« Reply #141 - Posted 2008-06-28 14:24:18 »

Sorry, I spent some time working on other stuff. If you want to work on the template, take the one in SVN: /misc/template/site/*  See if you can improve it! However, let's wait with putting it live. Let's make it look good first...

Offline gouessej
« Reply #142 - Posted 2008-06-29 16:28:38 »

Sorry, I spent some time working on other stuff. If you want to work on the template, take the one in SVN: /misc/template/site/*  See if you can improve it! However, let's wait with putting it live. Let's make it look good first...
I know that you spent some time on it, good work Smiley

I will at least improve the organization of the first page as a first step. I will display the following sub-panels:
- most recently added games
- highest rated games
- most popular games
- most recently updated games

Offline tackle

Senior Newbie





« Reply #143 - Posted 2008-07-01 15:07:53 »

I'm going to sum up what has to be done:
.....
- add a list of banned domains (Julien Gouesse)
.....

May I ask what this point means?

Basically, how is this going to be implemented, and why?

Offline gouessej
« Reply #144 - Posted 2008-07-01 17:47:16 »

May I ask what this point means?

Basically, how is this going to be implemented, and why?
Yes of course, you have the right to ask any question about the Tome. Some authors don't want all their games to appear on the Java Game Tome. To avoid any users to add them, a blacklist of banned domains will be created. When a user submits a game, the URL will be compared to all the entries in this list. If the game URL matches with one of the entry, it won't be added on the Tome and an error message will be displayed.

Obviously it would be better if such a feature was not necessary.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #145 - Posted 2008-07-03 21:57:24 »

2 queries are wrong and it affects the way the games are sorted in the homepage. I'm fixing it right now. I will test the fix tomorrow morning as it is midnight (French time) and I'm very very tired. Sorry.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #146 - Posted 2008-07-04 20:24:36 »

The queries have been fixed. Sorry for the delay.

Offline gouessej
« Reply #147 - Posted 2008-07-06 08:41:22 »

I'm going to copy the images on the server as some people complained about it. If I have enough time, I will finish the functional part of the homepage to be able to begin the massive modification of the GUI in some months.

Offline DzzD
« Reply #148 - Posted 2008-07-06 13:53:56 »

the idea is very nice but I have two suggestions :
- review the title of this thread "Create a space to submit and to launch Java webstartable games" by something like "Create a space to submit and to launch Java web games"
- review the website design/graphics, pleazzzz... my computer is 1024 pixels with and it is really hard to finds links near screenshot, also there is a vertical scrollbar and I think that the web page appearance make the visitor think that he have nothing to do there.

please do not see any offense on what I said. I like the main idea but I found that is pitty as it dont requiere a lot of works to make it look a lot better :
- show game list more vertically
- change links css style

EDIT: see the jpg attachement to this post to see how it look on my computer

Offline gouessej
« Reply #149 - Posted 2008-07-06 14:03:12 »

the idea is very nice but I have two suggestions :
- review the title of this thread "Create a space to submit and to launch Java webstartable games" by something like "Create a space to submit and to launch Java web games"
- review the website design/graphics, pleazzzz... my computer is 1024 pixels with and it is really hard to finds links near screenshot, also there is a vertical scrollbar and I think that the web page appearance make the visitor think that he have nothing to do there.

please do not see any offense on what I said. I like the main idea but I found that is pitty as it dont requiere a lot of works to make it look a lot better :
- show game list more vertically
- change links css style

EDIT: see the jpg attachement to this post to see how it look on my computer
I never tested the website under Internet Explorer as I don't use Windows. I didn't know it was so ugly, sorry. I don't know how to solve this problem. I'm sure only a few users have a so small screen.

About the look and feel, I have no time to improve it now, I have plenty of things to do simultaneously. I precise that I thought I wouldn't be alone to code and finally, I'm alone to write the code BUT Christoph made a pretty template, I will use it later.

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