XNA ?

[zingbat]

Don't you guys wish Sun would treat gamers as well as Microsoft does? They even made their own free game engine for gamers, integrated with C# and Visual Studio, with full documentation MSDN and nice video tutorials:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/bb245766.aspx

Plus C# has bindings for OpenGL with the Tao framework and managed DirectX.

I'm turning to the dark side of the force and i'm liking it. 

[zero]

Does Microsoft really support C# devs that well:
DirectX SDK (August 2005) Managed
DirectX SDK (August 2007) C++

Imagine the complains here at JGO if jogl wouldn't have been updated that long.. no access to dx10 features, ..  - terrible! (ok, even carmack doesn't care  )

However, XNA and Video Tutorials are nice..

Regarding "Tao": Last time I tested it it was still really buggy and it took me really long time to install  but, maybe ths has changed already, I don't know..
IMHO the non microsoft way of C# (==mono, toa,..) suffers from exactly the problems Java does: easy deployment and a tool stack. But at least I see more efforts going on here.. (consumer jre, ...)

[Matzon]

Imagine the complains here at JGO if jogl wouldn't have been updated that long.. no access to dx10 features, ..  - terrible! (ok, even carmack doesn't care  )

Doesn't LWJGL work for you?

Games published by our own members! Check 'em out!

[zero]

Doesn't LWJGL work for you?

you got me wrong, jogl has them too. But Managaed DX is 2 years behind and doesn't offer them..

[Matzon]

exactly, my point being that the community can manage it instead of microsoft, which is what microsoft is betting on.

[CheekyRipley]

Managed DX is dead, that's why -- MS don't support it any more.

So your choices are DX or XNA....and they're updated every quarter.