William
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2003-07-25 08:56:58 » |
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Before everyone mailbomb mr Yazel about permissions for Xith3D, I recommend setting an open info page and open CVS downloads for the project. That way, one can link to the project for outsiders too.
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DavidYazel
Junior Devvie  
Java games rock!
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Reply #1 - Posted
2003-07-25 10:27:00 » |
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I am new to the java.net project restrictions, so it was a suprise to me to find that people needed permission to read the archive. I have created a snapshot of everything in the file sharing section of the project which should give you something to read if you are interested. http://xith3d.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectDocumentList
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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winkman
Senior Newbie 
Java games !
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Reply #2 - Posted
2003-07-25 10:42:39 » |
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still no luck  Can't follow your link as i dont have sufficient permissions Martin
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Games published by our own members! Check 'em out!
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abies
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Reply #3 - Posted
2003-07-25 10:47:33 » |
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I have created a snapshot of everything in the file sharing section of the project which should give you something to read if you are interested.
Do you think that Sun can be fooled so easily ?  They have protected you from yourself and us from ourselves a lot better - we also need permissions to view file sharing section. I think that there is some kind of misunderstanding as far as concepts are concerned. IMHO, we are looking at it as a bit more closed sourceforge, while Sun is looking at it as a very open JCP/JSR. From JCP point of view, all these restrictions make sense - in fact, it is trivially easy to add new people to project (compared to hassle which had to be done with expert group/reviews/etc at JCP).
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Artur Biesiadowski
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Herkules
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Reply #4 - Posted
2003-07-25 11:51:22 » |
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Hey, this java.net stuff is really, really complicated, isn't it?
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zparticle
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Reply #5 - Posted
2003-07-25 12:33:22 » |
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Okay I guess I'm just a moron. Where do you even find the project on the site?
Searching for Xith3D returns: nothing Looking in each of the games-XXX categories yields: nothing Going to the link above: Need more permissions, contact project admin, and then NO way to do so
I hate this .net site.
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psiegel
Junior Devvie  
Adamant about gaming.
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Reply #6 - Posted
2003-07-25 12:36:31 » |
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I completely agree with ZParticle. I can't find a damn thing. Grumble, grumble, grumble.
Paul
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Breakfast
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Reply #7 - Posted
2003-07-25 13:47:06 » |
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I've spent the last week building a .net site myself, and I'm starting to hate even the words .net. Or the word and punctuation mark .net . Who cares.
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swpalmer
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Reply #8 - Posted
2003-07-25 14:56:58 » |
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Seems like everyone is getting: "Your account does not have the "Project Document - View" permission needed for you to access the page you requested in the xith3d project " The only good thing is that I'm not the only one  I have a feeling someone forgot a checkbox somewhere when setting up the project 
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DavidYazel
Junior Devvie  
Java games rock!
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Reply #9 - Posted
2003-07-25 15:06:40 » |
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I have added all of you to observer status. Sorry for the problems!
I do have the project option "make visible to public" checked... but it seems to make no difference.
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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Games published by our own members! Check 'em out!
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swpalmer
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Reply #10 - Posted
2003-07-25 15:33:35 » |
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I noticed the project heirarchy is : Projects>games> games-inbox>xith3d I was expecting it to go in one of these: games-core Java Games Core Technologies games-demos Java Game Demos and Tutorials games-forge Java-Based Games, Works in Progress and Other Content games-middleware Java Game Engines and Libraries games-research Advanced Research in Java Game Technology games-tools Tools for Java Game Development Specifically games-middleware. Maybe that is why we can't see it?  I'm pretty sure that is it, as the parent games-inbox project is not viewable in the same way.
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zparticle
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Reply #11 - Posted
2003-07-25 15:36:01 » |
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Thanks for trying.
Your account does not have the "Project Page - View" permission needed for you to access the page you requested in the xith3d project (view your permissions). Either ask the project administrator for more permission, or log in using a different account.
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swpalmer
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Reply #12 - Posted
2003-07-25 15:54:55 » |
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It worked for me. Maybe Dave missed your ID zparticle. Are you zparticle on java.net as well?
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #13 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:08:05 » |
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Arrrgggg. I will see if I an upload the snapshot somewhere until we can get this worked out.
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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sugarshark
Junior Devvie  
Sugar to the sharks.
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Reply #14 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:12:01 » |
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Same problem as zparticle...
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I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this. -- Emo Phillips
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #15 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:13:36 » |
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oops I did miss zparticle!
Sorry about that! All set now.
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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psiegel
Junior Devvie  
Adamant about gaming.
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Reply #16 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:17:41 » |
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I was able to get it ok. I can't wait to get some time to really dive into the code and see what it's doing, and more so what I can do with it. I have two quick questions though:
1. What's the license? I didn't see any kind of license or copyright info in there.
2. I noticed both JoGL and LWJGL directories in your third-party dir. Can it really use both? Which is it using by default, and how do I change it?
Paul
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psiegel
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Adamant about gaming.
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Reply #17 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:31:52 » |
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Ok, one more question. Yeah right.
What's the deal with xith_utilities.jar? I noticed there's no source code for it. Do you plan to release that package separately? If not, could we at least get the javadocs for it?
Paul
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #18 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:34:13 » |
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I need to go through and put the license in every source file. The license is BSD through, so no worries there. The xith_utilities is from the magicosm project and I didnt want the source in two places. I will either gen the java doc or include source in a reference jar. I am in the middle of porting sun's geometry package, adding support for indexed geometry and adding two more loaders... so I need to finish that before I can commit again. I did get shared groups and links working last night though 
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #19 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:38:22 » |
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Question about people requesting developer status. I am a tad bit worried that it might be premature for that. i am still writing massive amounts of code and need the ability to reorganize stuff if I need to. If other developers are in their, unless they coordinate with me and work on something on the fringe we will have a mess.
For example someone could write the LWJGL port pretty easily without it causing any problems since they would only need to copy the JOGL code (about 10 files) and change them (mostly) slightly.
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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psiegel
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Adamant about gaming.
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Reply #20 - Posted
2003-07-25 16:46:38 » |
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Excellent David, I'm really psyched to see this coming around. Hell, I've even joined the mailing lists which I had intended not to do, just to make sure I knew all the details of what's going on.
Though I haven't requested developer status, I'd be happy to pick up any little tasks you'd like to help out, or just sit and wait until you feel the package is stable. You da boss.
Paul
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #21 - Posted
2003-07-25 18:03:34 » |
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Here is the license: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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William
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Reply #22 - Posted
2003-07-25 18:12:20 » |
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I think this is a great move.
I am just a bit curious about the legal status of the project from Sun's point of view. Did the acceptance of the project mean that Sun allows Xith3D code based on Sun's Java3D interfaces to be distributed under the BSD license? I hope Chris or someone else at Sun can clarify...
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DavidYazel
Junior Devvie  
Java games rock!
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Reply #23 - Posted
2003-07-25 18:24:31 » |
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Good question. I will post a message to the mailing list and see if anyone knows.
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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Athomas Goldberg
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Reply #24 - Posted
2003-07-25 20:22:34 » |
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You've probably all noticed by now that Xith3D is under the games-middleware project and should be visible to everyone. Just so you all know, projects go into the games-inbox until their approved, at which point they're (usually) moved to the correct project category and become publicly visible. When I approved Xith3D, I forgot to move it. My mistake. On top of that, I was away from my desk most of day or else I would have spotted this thread sooner. Fortunately, Dan noticed the post to the mailing list and was able to correct my mistake. Once again, my humblest apologies. 
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Athomas Goldberg Project Lead / Wildcard Game Technologies Group Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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swpalmer
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Reply #25 - Posted
2003-07-25 22:58:20 » |
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That's ok... these are the sorts of things that I would expect until everyone gets familiar with the processes involved.
It's just good to know that it was something so simple and not a problem with the system itself.
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aNt
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Reply #26 - Posted
2003-07-28 11:38:55 » |
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Shadow Volumes? would be nice dude  Collision detection  ...
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DavidYazel
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Java games rock!
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Reply #27 - Posted
2003-07-28 13:20:18 » |
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David Yazel Xith3D Project Founder http://xith3d.dev.java.netIt may look complicated, but in the end it is just a bunch of triangles
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