thats bad...no java!

[bienator]

the first (IMO) really innovative desktop like phone, but without java
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=238

its like vista without gl but that has been solved

[Eliwood]

All I can say is that it's Apple's loss not to include Java on there, especially since that thing has enough horsepower probably to run the full J2SE, not just the stripped down J2ME.

[g666]

Not EVERYTHING has to use java.

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[CommanderKeith]

That's just Apple being like Microsoft  .  MS have built a monopoly on the desktop since most good software is windows only.  Apple want to build/are building a monopoly in the iPod/iPhone market by forcing software to be iStuff compatible only.

Neither company want to support a cross-platform software in the market in which they are dominant since it lets buyers switch out of Wndows or the iPod/iPhone and into a cheaper alternative that will still run the same good software. 

If they support Java then they will turn their product into a commodity.  Thus only the 'losers' (in terms of market share) support java, aka the Apple and Linux desktops. 

Keith

[ryanm]

Does anyone know if there'll be a VOIP application on the iPhone? I can easily imagine that Cingular would be less than thrilled at the prospect.

[thiagosc2]

For me, in Brazil, Apple is something from another planet. Their prices are so outrageous I don't even bother looking. But what I understood about this iPhone thing is that it is an appliance, like a microwave oven, or a TV, or a DVD player. You don't want to install software in any of those devices.

Thinking this way Apple's decision makes sense. The only software, if they will allow any, will be provided by them or through them so they can guarantee it won't crash. Would you like your wrist watch to go BSOD?

[zero]

what really bugs me is Jobs quote on Java:

Markoff: "What about all those plugins that live within Safari now, like Flash or like Java or like JavaScript?"
Jobs: "Well, JavaScript?s built into the Phone. Sure."
Markoff: "And what are you thinking about Flash and Java?"
Jobs: "Java's not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It's this big heavyweight ball and chain."

Source: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/ultimate-iphone-faqs-list-part-2/

[erikd]

If here's talking about applets, he's not too far from the truth as flash pretty much won that competition. It's still a shame though, it would've been great to have a phone with j2se on it.

[woogley]

i would say, given the contest (javascript vs. flash vs. applets), jobs was just talking about applets (as erikd said). it wouldn't make much sense for Jobs to completely dismiss Java as a decent platform, as Mac is probably the largest Java supporter (well, compared to windows i guess)