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Offline SluX

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« Posted 2006-03-07 20:18:13 »

What is it? I know that with service pack 1 there wasnt any jre, but whats the situation with service pack 2?

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2006-03-07 20:40:06 »

does it matther with windows for applets you have an embedded tab, there is webstart and you can always distribute an jre yourself.

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2006-03-08 06:13:43 »

Microsoft doesn't supply any Java worth using.  I think there might be a MS VM that does Java 1.1.

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Offline SluX

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2006-03-08 09:05:41 »

does it matther with windows for applets you have an embedded tab, there is webstart and you can always distribute an jre yourself.

Well webstart is not an option cos requirement is that users dont need to download anything else. It will be an applet, so i guess that default applet compliance is my question...Wink

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2006-03-08 10:21:52 »

does it matther with windows for applets you have an embedded tab, there is webstart and you can always distribute an jre yourself.

Well webstart is not an option cos requirement is that users dont need to download anything else. It will be an applet, so i guess that default applet compliance is my question...Wink

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Offline SluX

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2006-03-08 17:06:35 »

Omg....cant fu.... belive it.

Well.....our firm will have to do some serious thinking..i guess that games will be in flash then....damn...

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2006-03-08 17:17:35 »

That looks like a knee-jerk reaction.

In one of the other threads just a couple of days ago it was pointed out that 70% of all new PCs shipped in USA come with java 1.4.2 or above preinstalled.

Overall market penetratin *according to macromedia themselves* for java is almost the same as that for flash.

So, you should really be defining your target market and asking "what do these people generally have?", not faffing about asking "what does MS distribute?"

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2006-03-08 23:24:23 »

Omg....cant fu.... belive it.

Well.....our firm will have to do some serious thinking..i guess that games will be in flash then....damn...

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/using_tags.html

have a look under "The codebase Attribute" the applet should act just as flash. eg surfing to the page will show an message to download the specified jre.

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Offline SluX

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2006-03-09 15:58:48 »

Ok, well tnx for everything. The thing is that the game wont be for american market and ...well i wont explain all the details.Tongue

Tnx a lot.

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2006-03-11 01:49:11 »

Omg....cant fu.... belive it.

Well.....our firm will have to do some serious thinking..i guess that games will be in flash then....damn...

Flash is a download.

Remember your requriement was "no download at all."


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Offline SluX

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2006-03-11 10:27:07 »

Omg....cant fu.... belive it.

Well.....our firm will have to do some serious thinking..i guess that games will be in flash then....damn...

Flash is a download.

Remember your requriement was "no download at all."


Yes, you are right, but here most people already have flash installed...thats the situation.
Anyway that java autoinstaller thing is just the stuff we need.
Tnx a lot ppl.

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Offline Kova

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2006-03-11 12:32:51 »

For the ppl who tried it, autoinstaller downloads whole 15 megs JVM then?
Offline SluX

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2006-03-11 18:53:00 »

For the ppl who tried it, autoinstaller downloads whole 15 megs JVM then?

15 Megs...hmm...thats a lot. Can it be reduced somehow?

And was that for 1.5?

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Offline Mr_Light

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2006-03-11 19:35:25 »

that multi language I think it should be smaller.

It's harder to read code than to write it. - it's even harder to write readable code.

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2006-03-13 08:07:28 »

Flash is a smaller download then Java.  Subjectively quite a lot of websites use flash, so it is quite likely that most users will have it.  Java isn't used in as many places, although at least a couple of sites I frequent use it for fancy menus (Ok provided you have a reversionary menu for non-Java users), so I would expect many computers to have it.

However programming in flash isn't as general purpose as Java.  The basic idea (with flash) is that you drag multimedia assets onto a timeline & define how they fade in & out.  More complex stuff is done with scripting.  You can do a suprising amount with this.  If you can achieve the result you want in Flash, then go for it.  If you need a general purpose programming language, then Java is more suitable.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #15 - Posted 2006-03-13 08:47:44 »

All Windows release have at least the microsoft JVM 1.1 except the last(and futur) release of windows xp (release that include SP2). the reason is: (if I understood well) that Microsoft have lost a lawsuit again Sun Microsystem, and they are not allowed any more to produce their own JVM.

so, all windows xp released after sp1(including sp2) will not be delivered anymore with a 1.1 jvm


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