Game Development APIs in Java - important, please feel concerned

[sunsett]

Yeah, that's one I've never been able to master...I always find myself thinking that I can make a more round wheel. :-p

It got so bad at one point I decide to write my own SQL database in Java....it worked, but I got really upset and abandoned it when I couldn't get it to work as fast as MySQL.   

Breakfast, if frustration overcomes laziness I would challenge you to take a look at jME.

-Matt Hicks

[Amos Wenger]

Breakfast++ that is a profound reason to stick with Java3D.

Hmm.. so I have the same reason to stick with Xith3D.
But that's pretty stupid : oh I know Ada95, so I just can stick with it and be happy. That's wrong. I'd better move to C++/Java/Python (python : use Soya). So, heh if you have begun a game using J3D, that'd be OK, but if you have the choice (you've not begun to implement yet), then think hard.
Now, it seems interesting to be able to write clearly the differences of J3D, X3D, and jME.

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Hmm.. do you think J3D or X3D leaders would agree to say "The <project> project has been stopped. Here's the latest binary release. Please use jME/<newproject> now.     

[princec]

The reason to move to something new is when you find yourself coming up against a problem that something else has solved. Xith3D solves some of the problems J3D has with performance and complexity and slow uptake of new rendering features.

Cas

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[Amos Wenger]

The reason to move to something new is when you find yourself coming up against a problem that something else has solved.

Seems wise to me. 

Xith3D solves some of the problems J3D has with performance and complexity and slow uptake of new rendering features.

Hmm.. is it still true ? Say, J3D has been proven to be faster than X3D at the last benchmarks.. see : http://www.java-gaming.org/forums/index.php?topic=11748.msg95626#msg95626

[sunsett]

Other than the fact that you might already know Xith, what advantages does it have over jME?

-Matt Hicks

[Amos Wenger]

Other than the fact that you might already know Xith, what advantages does it have over jME?

-Matt Hicks

For me :
I know its developers. I contributed to the project. I know who I can ask if I have a problem.
There's no JOODE binding for jME (bad excuse, it'd take me 5 minutes to do one).
For everyone :
It does not change its API every month. It's stable, it's not buggy.
(I don't say jME is.)
If jME is sooo cool, why anybody don't switch to it ?

[princec]

Because there's almost nobody in here actually seriously doing any real game development in Java that's why 

Cas

[sunsett]

I would partially agree with Cas.  The reason you don't see much activity regarding jME in here is because jME has its own forum that gets about as much activity as this one does so jME developers have very little need to end up here.

-Matt Hicks

[Amos Wenger]

Because there's almost nobody in here actually seriously doing any real game development in Java that's why 

Cas

Hmm... ok that's a good reason, but pretty despairing. 
So all serious indie game developers go LWJGL ? 

[princec]

So far they have

Cas

Games published by our own members! Check 'em out!

[Amos Wenger]

/!\ Sorry for necromancy /!\

Here's what I learn : democracy in game development can't work. Everyone's not conciliable. kevglass (or was it someone else?) wisely said "choose an API, then stick to it". Very, very wise. Discussions like these one are in fact useless. Well good luck jME guys, just having read again this thread and others in the jME forums I dislike agressive attitude like (sometimes) yours.