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Offline Mark Thornton

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« Posted 2005-11-04 09:24:21 »

The upcoming birthday list is full of youngsters ... I'll be 47 on Monday!
 Wink
Offline princec

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Medals: 391
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Eh? Who? What? ... Me?


« Reply #1 - Posted 2005-11-04 09:57:54 »

Oww!

I'm still a tender 32 but I'm already feeling old  Roll Eyes

Cas Smiley

Offline kevglass

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Medals: 172
Projects: 23
Exp: 18 years


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« Reply #2 - Posted 2005-11-04 10:00:08 »

Jeeez.. old people, do you remember punch cards? Tongue

Kev

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Offline Mark Thornton

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2005-11-04 10:23:11 »

Jeeez.. old people, do you remember punch cards? Tongue

Kev
Yes. I even remember a computer that was programmed using a plug panel. It was used to produce the program list for Channel 7 (I think) in Perth. At the time I was an exchange visit, staying with the family of the man responsible for programming it. Long out of date at the time it was kept in use on the basis of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Offline kevglass

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Medals: 172
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« Reply #4 - Posted 2005-11-04 10:25:18 »

<geek>

Actually, thats pretty cool.

</geek>

Kev

Offline erikd

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Maximumisness


« Reply #5 - Posted 2005-11-04 10:26:11 »

Quote
The upcoming birthday list is full of youngsters ... I'll be 47 on Monday!

Yay, now I feel so young (33), thanks!  Grin
 Wink

Offline Mark Thornton

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2005-11-04 11:00:06 »

Not only punch cards, but also paper tape. In the project for my honours degree, I used one of these:

http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/dec/gt40/

which used paper tape for loading programs. I even remember playing the lunar landing game (1979). The project was on the "Mathematical evaluation of facial expressions", and paper later appeared in the British Journal of Psychiatry (1984).
Offline endolf

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Current project release date: sometime in 3003


« Reply #7 - Posted 2005-11-04 12:22:36 »

Cool

You lot make me feel young. I only just remember cassette, then it was 5 1/4 floppy disks.

It's good to feel young, the students at work were ignorant of 'The Muppets' and that made me feel old. But it's good to feel young again at 27 Smiley

Endolf

Offline g666

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2005-11-04 13:42:38 »

Jeeez.. old people, do you remember punch cards? Tongue

My dad remembers punch cards. Grin

desperately seeking sanity
Offline woogley
« Reply #9 - Posted 2005-11-04 14:05:33 »

I didn't realize all so many of you were over 25 and 30. I'll only be 19 this coming February o_O;;
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Offline hvor2

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Beyond mind, there is an awareness...


« Reply #10 - Posted 2005-11-04 14:14:13 »

Quote
The upcoming birthday list is full of youngsters ... I'll be 47 on Monday!

Yay, now I feel so young (33), thanks!  Grin
 Wink

Wow! I even younger. 29. I always wondered how old are you guys. So, we +- all about the same age. Only for Mark it's pretty tight  Wink 

Offline c_lilian

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Java games will probably rock someday...


« Reply #11 - Posted 2005-11-04 14:15:21 »

Will turn 34 this sunday... I guess I also belong to the "punch card" category ... Smiley

Lilian

Offline K.I.L.E.R

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Java games rock!


« Reply #12 - Posted 2005-11-04 14:25:53 »

Happy B-DAY!

I'll be 21 on the 21st of November. Smiley

Vorax:
Is there a name for a "redneck" programmer?

Jeff:
Unemployed. Wink
Offline Ask_Hjorth_Larsen

Junior Member




Java games rock!


« Reply #13 - Posted 2005-11-04 14:56:54 »

23 here. Heck, I'm so old, in my time we had much higher ping than today. I also remember the time we had to drag our laptops all the way to school through horrible weather.
Offline zingbat

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2005-11-04 22:51:26 »

I'm 35 and a proud ex sinclair zx spectrum programmer. Never saw any punch cards however.
Offline Tzan

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2005-11-05 20:00:17 »

Turned 45 in september.

In 1979 at Wentworth I had my first programming class, in Basic.
PDP 11 was the machine I think. I was an architecture (buildings) student and we were not allowed to use the monitors. Those were reserved for the CS students, they only had 4. So I had to input my code on those teletype machines on paper, they had about 6 of those. When nobody was around I used a monitor and played that StarTrek game.

My brother went to a community college a few years later and they were doing Cobol on punch cards, lucky guy.
Offline Alan_W

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2005-11-05 20:57:42 »

42 and catching up Mark rapidly  Shocked

I used punch cards and tape at University.  Debugging meant submitting your card deck at the computer centre, then coming back the next day to see what was on the printout.  If it was an error message, rinse & repeat.

Before that in the mid 1970's whilst a teenager I saw a computer with a Drum memory.  Betcha you don't even know what I'm talking about  Grin

Time flies like a bird. Fruit flies like a banana.
Offline arne

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money is the worst drug- we should not let it rule


« Reply #17 - Posted 2005-11-05 22:11:37 »

42 and catching up Mark rapidly  Shocked

I used punch cards and tape at University.  Debugging meant submitting your card deck at the computer centre, then coming back the next day to see what was on the printout.  If it was an error message, rinse & repeat.

Before that in the mid 1970's whilst a teenager I saw a computer with a Drum memory.  Betcha you don't even know what I'm talking about  Grin

Yes you're right ... that's a different world to me. Sounds like a story from my parents Wink
I'm 17...

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Offline swpalmer

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Where's the Kaboom?


« Reply #18 - Posted 2005-11-05 22:34:50 »

I thought this was a much yonger crowd (well except for Jeff Tongue)  nice to see a good mix of 'old' and 'new'

I'm 34.  I've never used punch cards or paper tape... though I hear that the paper tape is better 'cause when you drop it on the floor you don't have to worry about putitng it in the right order when you pick it up Smiley

I first programmed on a Commodore PET back in the early 80's  (grade 5), cassette tape was the storage medium.. it was slow.  My first home computer was a Commodore 64, then I upgrade to Amiga, then eventually I got a job and they gave me a PC.  I've never actually purchased an intel-based computer [turns head and spits], though I use them all the time.

Offline nonnus29

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2005-11-05 23:35:36 »

It's interesting to me that the input card originated with cards used to control weaving looms back in the 1800's and lasted all the way to the 70's most areas.

Growing old sucks  Angry

 Cry
Offline aldacron

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Java games rock!


« Reply #20 - Posted 2005-11-06 10:03:10 »

I'm 34. And glad I'm not alone!
Offline Mark Thornton

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2005-11-06 11:45:49 »

I'm 34.  I've never used punch cards or paper tape... though I hear that the paper tape is better 'cause when you drop it on the floor you don't have to worry about putitng it in the right order when you pick it up Smiley
The better card punch machines could be set to automatically put a sequence number in specified columns. Then if you dropped a deck, you just fed the cards into the automatic sorting machine. Paper tape was slower and more fragile than cards.
The first computer I used (1973) was an IBM 1130:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/1130/1130_intro.html
Offline JuddMan

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2005-11-06 16:23:41 »

22 here...

how many bytes are on a punch card?

My first PC was a DOS box, not exactly ancient history really, although i do remember friends had a commodore 64 with a tape deck and yeah it was really slow.

whereas most people here came to java from lower level languages, i'm attempting to go the opposite direction... the first programming language i ever learned was Java, and although i would say i'm decent at it now, throw a C or C++ program my way and i'd probably break something... currently reading "C++ for Java Programmers".

Offline erikd

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Medals: 16
Projects: 4
Exp: 14 years


Maximumisness


« Reply #23 - Posted 2005-11-07 10:21:18 »

I never had anything to do with punch cards, I guess I'm too young for that. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81 and I had to poke into BASIC REM statements to program assembly, because it could only load and save basic programs (not binaries)... Oh man, what a chore   Smiley

Offline Mark Thornton

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2005-11-07 10:34:05 »

how many bytes are on a punch card?
A standard card had 80 columns each with twelve rows. The common encodings produced a 64 character set, thus each column was equivalent to 6 bits. Programs were stored in boxes which held 2000 cards.

http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html

and this paper seems to describe one of the systems I used in Adelaide back in 1973

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=810798&jmp=cit&dl=portal&dl=ACM

I knew the program was somewhat experimental, but hadn't previously realised that it had resulted in published papers. This system used cards which you marked using a soft pencil instead of using a punch, thus avoiding the problem of sharing a limited number of punch machines amongst lots of students.
Offline Malohkan

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« Reply #25 - Posted 2005-11-21 15:49:24 »

20 here!  I played a bit on some old green screens in elementary school, and eventually go my first PC which was a Tandy.  I learned how to manage Dos then eventually Win 3.1, but usually I wouldn't load Windows and stuck to a little Dos loader app to load my games Smiley

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Offline Vage

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learning++;


« Reply #26 - Posted 2005-11-21 21:10:39 »

Well then... I'm just 16! My first gaming experience was on the NES, playing duck hunt. Damn that dog...

My first computer had Windows 95 on it, and I was acctually programming small C-Apps with it. (Think 'Hello World' and 'Console-Fireworks') I didn't get to have the joy of a command-line experience until I tryed out Linux. (Debian happens to be my favorite flavor, btw).

I feel young in this crowd...

Personally, you could strap me into a mech cockpit with 47 virtual HUD displays, two complex hand controls and foot pedals and I'd be grinning like the gamer freak I am.
Offline Vorax

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2005-11-21 22:53:47 »

Another 34 year old here - 34 but a women guessed my age to be 24 the other day  - all those days locked in a room coding (out of the sun) is good for the skin Cheesy

Offline hvor2

Junior Member




Beyond mind, there is an awareness...


« Reply #28 - Posted 2005-11-22 00:07:18 »

Another 34 year old here - 34 but a women guessed my age to be 24 the other day  - all those days locked in a room coding (out of the sun) is good for the skin Cheesy
Haha!  Grin
That happened to me when I celebrated birthday lask week (29), some gils tought that I am 23 - 24...
Maybe there is something about coding after all (some commertial!)

Offline Jeff

JGO Coder




Got any cats?


« Reply #29 - Posted 2005-11-22 05:04:05 »

I thought this was a much yonger crowd (well except for Jeff Tongue)  nice to see a good mix of 'old' and 'new'

Hah!  I turned 42 last May so it turns out I'm not even the oldest fogey here!


Got a question about Java and game programming?  Just new to the Java Game Development Community?  Try my FAQ.  Its likely you'll learn something!

http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Games/JeffFAQ
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