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Offline Nicorocks

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« Posted 2003-05-22 17:51:32 »

I wonder if anyone knows of an openflight loader(.flt) for the java3d API? I found one on the www.j3d.org site, but the link was broken.

Offline kevglass

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2003-05-22 17:59:10 »

Looks like this was the starting site?

http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/vrmljava3d/news6/article520.html

But you'd have to contact someone at

http://www.fullsail.com

Kev

Offline shawnkendall

Senior Devvie


Exp: 20 years



« Reply #2 - Posted 2003-05-23 16:09:00 »

Hi, I was the original author of that loader.
Full Sail has since dropped any direct support for Java/Java3D projects.

However, I recently secured the option to redistribute the loader at the IMI site.  I am attempting to get all the previous version as well as the latest internal version that was never release to the public.

If you can wait, I hope it will be up on the IMI web site right before JavaOne.

Shawn Kendall
Cosmic Interactive, LLC
http://www.facebook.com/BermudaDash
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Offline Herkules

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Friendly fire isn't friendly!


« Reply #3 - Posted 2003-05-23 16:22:35 »

Please don't let is vanish! IIRC it was the most feature rich loader around? Animations and such.

Too bad the OpenFlite models are so hard to get. And multigen is so expensive.

HARDCODE    --     DRTS/FlyingGuns/JPilot/JXInput  --    skype me: joerg.plewe
Offline Vrml_Java_Animator

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Web Animation with VRML,  Java3d & pure Java


« Reply #4 - Posted 2003-05-23 19:17:56 »

A little company know as:  Sun Microsystems, Inc.

developed:  Java, Java3d, and the Sun VRML Loaders

and some of us using Java3d use Sun's Java3d & Sun's VRML Loaders

and they are very capable and VRML is probably __ The Best __

3d file format for Java, Java3d and Web animation.

Nasa & I use Java3d & the Sun VRML Loaders.

With the Sun VRML Loaders, VRML & Java3d you can do as I have:

 __ Animate Web3d.org's VRML based H-Anim Avatars in a Web Browser __


Quote

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Shawn Kendal wrote:
|
|  Hi,
|
|  I was the original author of that loader.
|
|  Full Sail has since dropped any direct support for
|
|  Java/Java3D projects.
|
|  However, I recently secured the option to redistribute
|   the loader at the IMI site.
|
|  I am attempting to get all the previous version
|  as well as the latest internal version that was
|  never release to the public.
|

[/size]

Quote


[size=2]
Hekules wrote:
|
|  Please don't let is vanish!
|
|  IIRC it was the most feature rich loader around ?
|
| Animations and such.
|
| Too bad the OpenFlite models are so hard to get.
|
| And multigen is so expensive.
|

[/size]

I'm not sure if that's true.

 I'm not saying it not true: I think they were over-rated.

The j3d.org "FAQ" was controlled by the people creating
two sets of loaders:

the FullSail Loaders and the "new' Yumetech.com Loaders

and -- surprise, surprise --  those companies recomended
people use the loaders those companies were developing and
they desparaged other loaders including Sun's own.

The Sun VRML Loaders Work.

I use them, Nasa uses them,  Don Brutzman, Justin Couch & Alan Hudson
have all used them and can tell you neither they nor the 'new' Yumetech.com
loaders read and properly render __ all __ VRML,  but the Sun VRML Loaders
are very capable and can and do display a remarkablely rich and usefull set of
3d Objects and technical groups like Nasa uses them:

|  Nasa --- FastScript3D - Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Patti Koenig
|  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   VRML using vrml97.jar   [   (  Sun's VRML Loader  )  ]
|
http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery.html

Web3d.org, US Naval PGS, NIST, Nasa VRML rendered wit Sun's VRML Loaders
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html

FingerSpelling for the Deaf, NSF Funded VRML Human Animation ...

   runs in a browser with the Sun VRML Loaders.

-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
----------------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard


Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with VRML, Java & Math
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Offline shawnkendall

Senior Devvie


Exp: 20 years



« Reply #5 - Posted 2003-05-23 22:59:05 »

Quote

The j3d.org "FAQ" was controlled by the people creating
two sets of loaders:

the FullSail Loaders and the "new' Yumetech.com Loaders

and -- surprise, surprise --  those companies recomended
people use the loaders those companies were developing and
they desparaged other loaders including Sun's own.

The Sun VRML Loaders Work.



Just for the record. I, nor Full Sail have anything to do with j3d.org and never have.  That statement is a complete falsehood.  

Additional Full Sail has only one loader not loaders and we have NEVER "desparaged other loaders" and especially not Sun's, we work with and support Sun.

Paul, I do not know who your sources are but they are incorrect.  Please do not post such negative and inaccurate information about myself or Full Sail again.

Thank you.

Shawn Kendall
Cosmic Interactive, LLC
http://www.facebook.com/BermudaDash
Offline Vrml_Java_Animator

Senior Newbie




Web Animation with VRML,  Java3d & pure Java


« Reply #6 - Posted 2003-05-24 01:32:06 »

Ok, I'm sorry,  Starfire Rearch / John Wright is listed as the "other"
" Maintainer " of the list that get favorable treatment.

I was trying to remember why your name came to mind
when I thought of the troubles of misrepsentations of File Loaders,
and there was a reason for it ...

I hate to say it, but ( shudder ) it was at the very start

of the "Couch-Beitler Flame War" , JavaOne with Allan Hudson & Shawn Kendall

   ---  long, long ago  ----

Paul Flavin ( me ) wrote to Sun's Java3d-interest list :

[size=3]
Sharp does 3-D w. Java ... Join Us ! ! @ JavaOne  
----------------------------------------------------------
|
| You are invited to join the new, networked, 3d revolution ...
|
| This week, See the Future: 3d, Java & The Web Become One @ JavaOne
|
| Unaccelerated Java may be slow, but Java3d uses OpenGL or DirectX ~~
|  AND ~~ Hardware Acceleration ... It is Fast, It is Great, It is Growing.
|
|  ...
|
| _ Web3d.org's _ Don Brutzman: ... 3D VRML / X3D File Loaders
| --------------------------------------------- @ JavaOne, this week.
| June 4, 8:30 PM - 9:20 PM
|
| Speakers: Don Brutzman, Bryan Croft, Alan Hudson, Shawn Kendall
|
| Like OpenGL, the Java 3D API has no native file format. It provides
| an API for 3D graphics rendering in real time. ... This 3D content
| is provided through reading in existing file formats from common and
| popular 3D modeling tools.
|
http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/conf/bofs/775/0-sf2001.jsp
|
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0106&L=java3d-interest&P=6587
[/size]

The " Couch - Bietler Flame War "  begins ...

Justin Couch of Yumetech.com wrote:

[size=3]

| Re: Web3d.org, Nokia,  Motorola,Sharp does 3-D w. Java ... Join Us ! ! @ JavaOne
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Oh, is this dickhead back again?
|
| Wouldn't know, he's been in my killfile for a long time.
|
| Just ignore him.
|
| Whatever he's on, I'd like some because
|  its pretty fscking obvious that he's living in a fantasy land.
|
| Flavin, piss off.
|
| You do not represent the Java community or 3D community in any way,
| shape or form. In fact you are the worst kind of advertisement for it.
|
| You turn more people away from Java and Java3D than toward it.
|
|  (That is, any number greater than or equal to zero).
|
| Actually, Alan H [ Alan Hudson, Justin's partner at Yumetech.com ]
|  running the Xj3D project has been exceedingly pissed at this guy taking
| completely out of context posts from us to support his deranged views.
|
| I just hope that I never, ever meet him face to face
| because  it will not be very pretty at all.
|
| Just do as I do, drop him in the killfile and it will never bother you again.
|
|
| -- Justin Couch  ...
|
|  http://www.yumetech.com    ...
|
| Java 3D FAQ Maintainer    
|
|  http://www.j3d.org
|
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0106&L=java3d-interest&P=7559
[/size]


Justin Couch of Yumetech.com wrote:

[size=3]
| >
| > [ quoting me: ]
| >
| > ... I have used [ Sun's VRML Loaders   ] ( very happily ) since January, 2000 ...
| >
| > Java3d & H-Anim VRML with PROTOs, Interpolators, Sensors, Gestures ....
|
|  [ Justin Couch of Yumetech.com replies : ]
|
|  [/size] [size=4]
|    Hey,   what sort of  __ crack __ are you on ?
|  [/size] [size=3]
|
| That codebase didn't even support protos let alone H-anim.
|
| Scripting support was barely functional and the event model
| was nowhere near spec compliant.
|
| You're  bullshitting  again. ...
|
| BULLSHIT. You are nothing but a whinger ...
|
| Justin Couch                  
|
|  http://www.yumetech.com
|
| Java 3D FAQ Maintainer                  
|
|      http://www.j3d.org
|
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0106&L=java3d-interest&P=17838
[/size]


Quote


[size=3]


Just for the record. I, nor Full Sail have anything to do with j3d.org and never have.  That statement is a complete falsehood.  

Additional Full Sail has only one loader not loaders and we have NEVER "desparaged other loaders" and especially not Sun's, we work with and support Sun.

Paul, I do not know who your sources are but they are incorrect.  

Please do not post such negative and inaccurate information about myself or Full Sail again.

Thank you.


[/size]

| Acknowledgements
|
| Huge thanks to these people who have helped develop this site!
|
| Maintainers
|
| These are the current people maintaining the J3d.org site:
|
| John Wright,Starfire Research
|
http://j3d.org/about.html


| Inspector3DS/Loader3DS Documentation
|
| (a Java 3D loader for the 3DS file format)
|
|
| These classes are for loading 3D models in
|  3DS format into Java 3D.
|
| License:
| This code is being provided as a service to the Java 3D community.
| It may be used and improved royalty free.  
|
|  It may not be modified and sold.
|  All rights are reserved by the author,
| John Wright, and Starfire Research.  
|
| We are asking for a "donation" of $10
| to help defray the cost of development and distribution.
|
http://www.starfireresearch.com/services/java3d/inspector3ds.html


I was wrong to state that you or your comany were involved with the J3d.org FAQ and I regret the error.

The error was entirely my own, and I appologize for my mistake.

However ...

 The comment from Yumetech.com's Justin Couch claiming that
crack cocaine is consumed by people using the Sun VRML Loaders
 
 at the start of SunOne, with

Yumetech.com's Alan Hudson
 
 Full Sail's Shawn Kendall

 giving a presentation that I posted about, prior to the event,
then representatives of Yumetech.com & Ful Sail give a presenation about

... Loaders for Java3d ...
 
 Then Shawn Kendall and Full Sail Inc. have to think  ...

 What is the right thing to do ?

 Full Sail benefits from the Yumetech.com slurs about people using the Sun's VRML Loaders ...

  If you and Full Sail had higher ethical standards ...

 a better company would have disavowed the false and fraudulent claims
of Yumetech.com employees sluring and slandering someone working ...

with the Sun VRML Loaders.

 There was really no neutral ground.

  You shared the stage with someone making false statments about the
Sun VRML Loaders and the people using the Sun VRML Loaders.

 You could have taken a higher road, a more principled stand, but declined.

 Whose fault is that  ?

 Not mine.  I'm sorry.

 It really comes down to what your definition of "honorable" conduct is.

 Was your conduct "honorable" ?  

 In my opinion it was not.

 If you are comfortable with your conduct, you can be content.

 I really expected honorable men to take a stand for the truth
and not just watch as Justin Couch, Alan Hudson and Mathew Beitler
knowingly made false & fraudulent claims with vulgar, threatening,
and inappropriate language to disparge people using Sun's VRML Loaders.

 I have tried to be accurate here, I hope I succeeded this time.

  Sincerely,

 -- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator
-----------------------------------------------
Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard
 


Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with VRML, Java & Math
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Offline Orangy Tang

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2003-05-24 09:06:06 »

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of
money
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a
good
monitor
to
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your
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vertically.
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Offline shawnkendall

Senior Devvie


Exp: 20 years



« Reply #8 - Posted 2003-05-24 12:18:38 »

It is true that I presented our Full Sail OpenFLT loader at the JavaOne 2001 BOF for Java3D Loaders.

What anyone else did there or elsewhere is their own business, and has no connection to Full Sail, Full Sail projects and/or policy.  In addition, what anyone at that presentation posted to a forum, mailing list or otherwise that is not affiliated to Full Sail is not Full Sail responsibility

Quote

"Full Sail benefits from the Yumetech.com slurs about people using the Sun's VRML Loaders ..."


How does Full Sail benefit?  I'm not exactly sure how Full Sail benefits from other peoples loaders. Besides, Full Sail has long ago dropped any development with regards to it.

Quote

“If you and Full Sail had higher ethical standards ...

 a better company would have disavowed the false and fraudulent claims
of Yumetech.com employees sluring and slandering someone working ... “


You are questioning my ethical standards because somehow the promotion of my independent work is responsible for supporting someone else's “slandering” of your work?

Full Sail is an educational institution.  We have from time to time developed Java and Java3D technology and demonstrations for ppromotion of Java/Java3D and the skills and talents of those at Full Sail.  We have no interest in commercialization of said technology and demonstrations and therefore have no motive nor benefit to alter, prevent, slur or slander anyone else or their work.

Sir, I think you are greatly mistaken about the events you are describing.

Slander is a strong word to choose here, and I believe I can respond no more until I have Full Sail lawyers review this series of email/forum posts.

Shawn Kendall
Cosmic Interactive, LLC
http://www.facebook.com/BermudaDash
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