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Offline Orangy Tang

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« Posted 2005-06-29 20:35:10 »

Eclipse 3.1 was released yesterday, and now appears to fully support Java 1.5/5.0/whatever. Grin So maybe with this and retroweaver I might just start using some of the new features...

The new CVS and Ant features look quite good as well. Now I just need to do a backup and figure out how to upgrade with the minimum of work. Wink

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2005-06-29 21:14:41 »

The new webstart exporter wizard for creating .jnlp manifests and signing .jars is a very useful feature. I've been looking for such an app and even been prepared to pay for it... Grin

Offline darkprophet

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2005-06-29 21:25:05 »

Eat dust NetBeans 4.1!  Tongue

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Offline princec

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2005-06-29 23:52:15 »

Warning: generics are so f**ked in 3.1 they are unusable. I am now in an extremely untenable position :/ We refactored the entire system we're working on to use generics (they seemed to work at first) but now, 4 weeks of refactoring later, it turns out our code won't compile.

It got so desperate I tried NetBeans 4.1. By God is it awful. And it crashed when we tried to compile anyway so that was a short lived horror.

We also tried IDEA, which crashed in the same way as NetBeans. I had high hopes for IDEA but nothing seems to even have a hope against the amazing capabilities of Eclipse.

If only generics weren't broken Sad

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Offline K.I.L.E.R

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2005-06-30 04:55:47 »

Princec, I'm having absolutely no problems. I use generics so frequently and almost everywhere.
I suggest you look for errors in your code. Wink

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Offline Bombadil

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2005-06-30 08:01:25 »

Netbeans 4.1 release version should run very stable actually, on a common Java 1.5 system.
I can't tell if you use Mustang etc.
With the Java 1.5 release version there shouldn't be any problems with Netbeans. There are absolutely none with my system, which is a rare thing for applications on Winblow PCs.

I'm happy there's Eclipse because it made Netbeans to jump from v3.X to the amazing v4.X versions. :-)
Offline princec

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2005-06-30 09:00:03 »

KILER, you are a n00b extraordinaire.

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Offline K.I.L.E.R

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« Reply #7 - Posted 2005-06-30 09:42:38 »

I'm not the one having problems with my generics code and Eclipse 3.1.
I'm the n00b? Ha!

KILER, you are a n00b extraordinaire.

Cas Smiley

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Offline princec

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2005-06-30 10:37:38 »

I just can't believe you actually said
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I suggest you look for errors in your code.
to me, padawan.

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2005-06-30 10:50:35 »

I believe princec has been taken into the l33t speak dark side.

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Offline K.I.L.E.R

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2005-06-30 10:59:49 »

I've refactored hundreds of classes in my project with Eclipse 3.1 M3 (Obviously not the current release). None of them had problems.
You're obviously doing something wrong or there's a bug.
I'm more inclined to believe you've done something wrong than Eclipse is crap, or whatever you're implying against Eclipse.

Whether or not it's your code is irrelevant. I had originally said it as a joke(People must be disabling smilies).

Generics in Eclipse unusable? Oh please.
If you hate it that much then don't use it. I'm sick of people blaming their lack of competence on an IDE.
I wouldn't know whether or not this statement is true in your case but I do suggest that you stop putting down an IDE because you are having issues with it.

I've encountered very few bugs in Eclipse. I use just about every feature of Eclipse, so please stop making false statements about Eclipse.

Of course my platform is Windows, if you're using Linux then you are partly forgiven. Although I still don't like it when people put down an IDE because they have an issue with it.


I just can't believe you actually said
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I suggest you look for errors in your code.
to me, padawan.

Cas Smiley

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Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #11 - Posted 2005-06-30 11:11:40 »

If you hate it that much then don't use it. I'm sick of people blaming their lack of competence on an IDE.
I wouldn't know whether or not this statement is true in your case but I do suggest that you stop putting down an IDE because you are having issues with it.

I've encountered very few bugs in Eclipse. I use just about every feature of Eclipse, so please stop making false statements about Eclipse.

Ha. I've encountered loads, and I only started seriously using it 6 months or so ago (maybe 9 months?).

Eclipse has plenty of bugs. fortunately, *most* are time-wasting, annoying, crappy stuff and don't prevent compilation etc.

BUT eclipse uses a custom compiler setup that *does* barf on things that the sun javac will accept happily, and that has caused me problems in the past, where the error message from eclipse is WRONG and it refuses to compile code that I'm compiling in parallel with no problems Sad.

So...you've been lucky so far, or just not using eclipse intensively enough Grin

EDIT: that's equally spread across windows and linux. I've used Eclipse on OS X but it's really screwed on OS X, and so painful to use I generally jump through hoops to avoid it Sad. Not an uncommon problem with apps that weren't originally developed on OS X, sadly

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Offline darkprophet

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2005-06-30 11:29:53 »

Blah, do you intentionally go finding bugs to screw over the hard work people have done? You seriously strike me as being a malevolent person recently. And what are the fruits of your labour? I haven't seen any....

Go on, please do enlighten me about this bug in the eclipse compiler thats stopping you from developing...

I seriously dont like people who take other people's work for granted and try and push their hard work into the dirt when they themselves dont have any fruits to show...

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Offline blahblahblahh

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2005-06-30 12:05:01 »

Blah, do you intentionally go finding bugs to screw over the hard work people have done?

I have no idea what you are on about Huh Eclipse has serious bugs, Cas is being hurt by one, and someone starts claiming eclipse isn't buggy and is perfect and it must be Cas's fault. I point out that no, it's not just Cas, eclipse *is* buggy, and mention a couple that have bitten me. I don't see how that has anything to do with what you just said.

Ditto the following statement. If you want to slag me off, PM me rather than thread-jacking.

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Go on, please do enlighten me about this bug in the eclipse compiler thats stopping you from developing...

There's plenty of them - isn't their bugzilla open? Can't you just search for yourself? You know, if you J-F-Googled-for-it you'd find eclipse bugs immediately (I did just now...). As a matter of principle, if people are too lazy to google, I don't do it for them.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2005-06-30 12:10:22 »

Gahhh look here you go: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=100869
and https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=78027 which appears to have regressed.

Cas Smiley

Offline GKW

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2005-06-30 15:09:51 »

Netbeans 4.1 release version should run very stable actually, on a common Java 1.5 system.
I can't tell if you use Mustang etc.
With the Java 1.5 release version there shouldn't be any problems with Netbeans. There are absolutely none with my system, which is a rare thing for applications on Winblow PCs.

I'm happy there's Eclipse because it made Netbeans to jump from v3.X to the amazing v4.X versions. :-)

I am using NB4.1 with mustang and it works great.  They had a nasty little type bug in the last few versions of mustang but after that got addressed everything is great.  I have not used any complex generics but I use this, Iterator<Map.Entry<String,ChannelList.Channel>>,  quite a bit and it works just fine.  Now I read that 4.2 is going to be even faster.  NB is the bomb.
Offline Bombadil

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2005-06-30 15:35:54 »

I am using NB4.1 with mustang and it works great.  They had a nasty little type bug in the last few versions of mustang but after that got addressed everything is great.  I have not used any complex generics but I use this, Iterator<Map.Entry<String,ChannelList.Channel>>,  quite a bit and it works just fine.  Now I read that 4.2 is going to be even faster.  NB is the bomb.

Good to hear about Mustang!
The NB 4.2 (beta, quality build) I'm using right now and works OK (some well catched exceptions if you use Ctrl mouse click on class names) and indeed it's fast. Also the improved code completion's is lovely.
The NB devs work a lot and publish many beta versions (q-build are my favs), so you see what they do and what to except in the (very) near future.
It's indeed the bomb.

Back to the thread... ;-)
Did I mention how lucky I am that Eclipse exists, so we finally got Netbeans 4.X in contrast to 3.x ? :-)
Offline Orangy Tang

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2005-07-02 15:52:06 »

I've only just installed it, but first impressions are good - and they've extended the syntax colouring substancially it seems, something that always seemed limited before. Auto-highlighting of all occurances of a variable/class name/etc. looks nice and could be very handy. Cheesy

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Offline princec

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2005-07-02 16:43:21 »

Still jerks like hell under 1.5. But then, everything does. Grr.
I've managed to work around most of the generics issues using a rather verbose coding style. The trouble is, learning generics on the job as I am, I am now never sure whether something doesn't work because I'm an idiot or whether it's a quirk in the compiler.

Cas Smiley

Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #19 - Posted 2005-07-13 22:15:06 »

I think I've been bitten by one of those as well.  But in general Eclipse 3.1 is great, I can't think of any issues with it off the top of my head (well there is this generics thing, but I always thought that was my fault Smiley).. though the Subclipse plugin for Subversion has some issues with keeping certain views in a sane state.

In any case after working with Eclipse, Netbeans 4.1 is still such a huge step backwards that putting up with issues like this is still preferrable.  I gave NetBeans a try again recently since I keep seeing all this raving about it and that new GUI layout thing.  But NetBeans is still a huge productivity reducer,the GUI tool needs it's own custom layout manager, and there is still no support for SpringLayout.. and it's slower... so I'm not all that impressed.

I'm not sure why Blah has issues with Eclipse on OS X.  It seems to work fine for me, though perhaps a bit slower than on Windows.

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2005-07-14 15:19:36 »

I'm not sure why Blah has issues with Eclipse on OS X.  It seems to work fine for me, though perhaps a bit slower than on Windows.

Just something ... odd ... in how it (fails to) install itself properly as an app, and you can't actually put the icon on the dock and things.

I suspect it can all be fixed manually with some jiggery pokery, a few tiny custom shell scripts etc, but...that's more than I'm prepared to do (I just use a different IDE when on OS X).

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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #21 - Posted 2005-07-14 16:17:55 »

Eclipse 3.1 performance has been improved compared to 3.0 and in terms of productivity functionnalities/core programming tasks, it's significantly more mature and versatil than NB. Of course I'm not talking about J2EE productivity here but I don't need those tools in my dayly work. It's still missing  XML editing support but you can freelly download the XMLBuddy plugin and it does the job very well.

Maybe NB 4.1 will be better in terms of productivity.

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« Reply #22 - Posted 2005-07-14 17:06:54 »

i also like to say that eclipse 3.1 feels much faster and snappyier then 3.0 don't know what they did, but it sure much better than before, haven't tried any of the generics stuff yet though!
Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2005-07-14 17:53:12 »

I'm not sure why Blah has issues with Eclipse on OS X.  It seems to work fine for me, though perhaps a bit slower than on Windows.

Just something ... odd ... in how it (fails to) install itself properly as an app, and you can't actually put the icon on the dock and things.

I have my Eclipse icon on the dock, I don't have any issue with that.
The issue that does appear is that it adds another icon to the dock when it is running.  something to do with the SWT java launcher that they've done and the funky threading issues that Java has with SWT apps on the Mac..    But I can live with that.

Offline Bombadil

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2005-07-15 06:45:24 »

Maybe NB 4.1 will be better in terms of productivity.

NB 4.1 final has been released over two months ago and runs very stable. Productivity (J2SE) is excellent for my purposes.
NB 4.2 is in beta currently.

Just an info, I don't want to compare the two IDEs (here).
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« Reply #25 - Posted 2005-07-16 12:32:38 »

I have my Eclipse icon on the dock, I don't have any issue with that.
The issue that does appear is that it adds another icon to the dock when it is running.  something to do with the SWT java launcher that they've done and the funky threading issues that Java has with SWT apps on the Mac..    But I can live with that.

Hmph Sad. Why me? Sigh. Perhaps I inadvertently got an out-of-date version or something? Or there's something unusual on my iBook - you are running Tiger, aren't you? (cos I am)

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Offline Mojomonkey

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2005-07-17 00:59:07 »

I also have Eclipse in the dock in 10.4.2. I dragged the Eclipse launcher into the dock (make sure you drag the one with the eclipse logo), and it stayed in the dock fine. It does do the strange thing where to creates another "running icon" in the dock when it starts up, as swpalmer said.



I really wish they would just make it a proper .app

Hope that helps.

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Offline swpalmer

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2005-07-17 01:35:12 »

It has always been dockable on all OS versions I have tried 10.2.x, through to 10.4.2 which I am running now.  There have been issues with the number of icons that appear in the doc going up to three at one point, as the Java launcher for SWT apps evolved.

I have also been running Eclipse 2 point something to 3.1 and nearly every RC release between them. I've never had any issues with docking.  I can't think of what you might be doing differently.

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2005-07-26 15:17:01 »

I'm not sure why Blah has issues with Eclipse on OS X.  It seems to work fine for me, though perhaps a bit slower than on Windows.

Just something ... odd ... in how it (fails to) install itself properly as an app, and you can't actually put the icon on the dock and things.

Another example: SWT crashed with an error trying to access *the printer demon*!! WTF!?! (no, I didn't try to print anything Sad )

Apple's JVM now *will not start* on this OS X machine Sad.

This is the kind of reason why I didn't think Eclipse on OS X was currently much of a goer. However, it's 3.0, which may explain the seriousness of the problems (I'm guessing SWT may have been upgraded as part of 3.1, not just eclipse itself?)

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2005-07-27 18:48:54 »

Blah^3 - So what IDE do you use under OSX at the moment then?

I'm currently on Eclipse3.0.1 and XCode (Tiger) and am quite happy (running on my alBook).

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