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1  Discussions / General Discussions / Re: this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN on: 2002-10-22 15:18:19
You don't need a million dollar research to figure this one out. there needs to be a consistent message.

and  please stop palming off these videos as well.
Perhaps you can palm it off for 1 year but 2 ? now people are going to start getting very angry.

If phony balony  java game videos are continually palmed off going into the  year ( 2003 ) I'm 100%  sure the masses will start to call the javagaming community on it.

If you used JNI just fess up NOW that they were. Perhaps you can specify the model for using JNI and provide a little engine for it. We wouldn't mind.  I would gladly forgive if I finally had a realistic model in my hand to work with.   so just fess up if that's the reason why. It would be the source of a few jokes for about a month but then everyone would focus on the productivity games.  

But with me personally, I'm not going to be very very annoyed to see any movies. For me it will be a palm off and an insult.

 lets try to send a consistent message with this web site. We're promoting java period

2  Discussions / General Discussions / Re: this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN on: 2002-10-22 14:04:27
Shawn, you said

1) This is site was created to promote and support the use of Java in professional games, not web development in general. (Chris can clarify the mission statement over my blurb)

My answer:  Why would I risk studying java for games when  you won't even run the forum and web site on java technology. If java is too cumbersome or unreliable (which is the message you unknowingly send)  to use for a web site then why would I want - take the path less traveled and hope  to make the next generation of games with java.

A talk with any marketing expert will reveal exactly the same thing.

The reason for confusion is because there are a bunch of technologist making the decision and not marketing professionals.  

Running this forum and website on anything other than java sends the wrong message. And puts the effort even further behind.  Microsoft would never dare sell C# or .NET without running their web site on the same product. That's because they have marketing consultation.

And if you don't provide downloadable high quality games people will inevitably think you are lying about the potential to use java for games.

I know shawn mentioned something about making his games available. i see it no where. not good at all --- As a result of all these messages, programming games in java requires a whole lot more faith than religion . (which i actually do believe in the 2nd coming and all that )  But you guys make it clear i should not believe in java.

I would like to encourage you guys to do the right thing and when that is done I hope you can remove this embarrassing thread.

3  Discussions / General Discussions / Re: this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN on: 2002-10-21 12:13:41
1. I would have no problems porting this to  java / jsp. I would be eager to do it.

1a.  Could someone please list the issues you have with Jive or I would be pleased to find some reasonable specs to program to.  
or when you get some specs could you please email it to stephenjava @ I'm pretty sure some other guys would like to get in on this as well.

2. I strongly believe it does damage to the java initiative for a Sun sponsored site to run something other than a java based bulletin board. For me this issue is very clear and it's never too late to change the board.

4  Discussions / General Discussions / Re: this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN on: 2002-10-20 16:16:42
unless of couse this is simply a demonstration of the true state of the technology
5  Discussions / General Discussions / this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN on: 2002-10-20 16:14:46
sadly enough, this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN. Sun promotes jsp and java. However it's TOP experts are running CGI

It makes me sorry i got my sun certification and makes me want to study .NET and everything else .

This cgi stuff makes me wonder why in the world would i ever want to build any software with jsp and java since sun will not even use it .

The message this sends is BAD  - even to me who is sun certified.  Somebody should grab you guys CHRIS and JEFF and shake some Sense into you guys.

Come on !
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