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« Reply #30 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:42:11 »

all applet are now showing a dialog even unsigned , now I am really thinking of going away from java, Oracle sucks...

I tested this and it is not true for my unsigned applets in 6u20

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« Reply #31 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:44:49 »

java4k applet show popup, same on java.net and same on sun.com website, I just cannot find any website where there is not this popup

I guess (!) you have modified your Java settings, I get no popups on the mentioned sites.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #32 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:49:07 »

not true

so try this one maybe :

http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=302
http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=291

also if you use webmin to manage a server try it !

or maybe some demo applet from sun ? http://java.sun.com/applets/

or some lwjgl applets demo maybe http://lwjgl.org/applet/

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« Reply #33 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:49:57 »

at least you get the popup - firefox insta crashes, chrome shows a blank page and ie shows:
"Internet Explorer has stopped trying to restore this website. It appears that the website continues to have a problem."

Quote
>java -version
Error occurred during initialization of VM
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object

>java -fullversion
java full version "1.6.0_20-b02"

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #34 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:50:36 »

I guess (!) you have modified your Java settings, I get no popups on the mentioned sites.

I did not change anything between u19 and u20 but I got the warning just after I installed u20 not before, so  could you point me the setting I may have changed ?

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« Reply #35 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:52:07 »

I did not change anything between u19 and u20 but I got the warning just after I installed u20 not before, so  could you point me the setting I may have changed ?

I even put an exclamation mark after 'guess' ... no need to get irritated.

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« Reply #36 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:53:25 »

not true

so try this one maybe :

http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=302
http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=291

also if you use webmin to manage a server try it !

or maybe some demo applet from sun ? http://java.sun.com/applets/

or some lwjgl applets demo maybe http://lwjgl.org/applet/

All I can say is that for me it works just like in 6u19

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #37 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:53:45 »

I even put an exclamation mark after 'guess' ... no need to get irritated.
sorry this is not you, I am just really irritated by last two java updates

Offline DzzD
« Reply #38 - Posted 2010-04-15 11:56:11 »

I got this one everywhere now (see image enclosed to this post), so maybe the update did something wrong and whenged my setting ? do am I alone ?


"it say the application requiere an older java version, do you want ot continue ?"

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« Reply #39 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:00:49 »

re-install fixed my issues  Huh

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« Reply #40 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:01:00 »

Shocked

Now we really need our own plugin, with a proper security manager.

Oracle doesn't give a damn about user experience / correct code.

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Offline DzzD
« Reply #41 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:04:38 »

Shocked

Now we really need our own plugin, with a proper security manager.

Oracle doesn't give a damn about user experience / correct code.

+1, I will be ok to help if needed, the biggest problem is how to penetrate the market....

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« Reply #42 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:08:31 »

+1, I will be ok to help if needed, the biggest problem is how to penetrate the market....

By making a nice application. People are willing to install anything, if they think it's worth it.

Then again, it's horrible for the casual / drive-by visitors...

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« Reply #43 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:15:13 »

The silverlight plugin seems to be doing great in the way of user experience and fast rising market share. It won't be long IMO before it overtakes the java plugins market share. They've added signed applet style support recently so might be a cool idea to use the silverlight plugin to launch a jvm to embed in the browser.

Too bad their linux support sucks or is non existent but could still be used to give a nice user experience to windows and mac users.

Much easier way to go then write a custom plugin from scratch and struggle for market share.
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« Reply #44 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:19:09 »

The silverlight plugin seems to be doing great in the way of user experience and fast rising market share. It won't be long IMO before it overtakes the java plugins market share. They've added signed applet style support recently so might be a cool idea to use the silverlight plugin to launch a jvm to embed in the browser.

Too bad their linux support sucks or is non existent could still be used to give a nice user experience to windows and mac users.

hey hey very nice idea... I mean to go further maybe we can use a cupple of existing plugin to propagate our own not just silverlight but all plugin that have a significant market ( dont know if flash can do signed like stuff ? )

I have reinstalled java.. after restart java was no more on my computer... so as for the u19 I needed to make two successive (three in reality with the online update) to make things works again.... now it is ok no more popup but how it will be perceived by other users ....

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« Reply #45 - Posted 2010-04-15 12:59:34 »

hey hey very nice idea... I mean to go further maybe we can use a cupple of existing plugin to propagate our own not just silverlight but all plugin that have a significant market ( dont know if flash can do signed like stuff ? )

Exactly, we should look for alternatives we could use to just piggyback on. Don't think flash is capable of doing this, however might change in future. On IE its possible to do this via ActiveX too.
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« Reply #46 - Posted 2010-04-15 13:11:15 »

Exactly, we should look for alternatives we could use to just piggyback on. Don't think flash is capable of doing this, however might change in future. On IE its possible to do this via ActiveX too.
so the plugin base may be something like :
1 -> test if the "new plugin" is deployed ? yes launch the applet
2 -> if no then try to deploy "new plugin" using one of the user installed plugin : silverlight / activex / other...

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« Reply #47 - Posted 2010-04-15 13:27:44 »

How hard would a cut-down Java + LWJGL plugin be? Smiley (Given our extremely simple requirements for a single Display)

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« Reply #48 - Posted 2010-04-15 15:00:58 »

How hard would a cut-down Java + LWJGL plugin be? Smiley (Given our extremely simple requirements for a single Display)

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As hard as it is to make a clipped, undecorated frame/window following a DOM element on a webpage, with a specific ID.

Anybody?

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Offline EgonOlsen
« Reply #49 - Posted 2010-04-15 15:21:12 »

I've tried several jnlps and a few applets...all worked fine with u20... Huh

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« Reply #50 - Posted 2010-04-15 16:22:17 »

seems that it is a plugin update problem more than a plugin itself  problem, you'r lucky I need to re-intall java plugin for both u19 & u20

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« Reply #51 - Posted 2010-04-16 11:09:21 »

ah crap, just noticed another thing that is now broken with the Java6u19+ updates.

It use to be the case that if a signed jar is run in an applet and the user clicks cancel on the security dialog the jar would still be run as a sandboxed jar. This would give the developer the ability to catch any exceptions thrown due to the sandbox and display a user friendly message.

Now it just blows up with an exception if the user clicks cancel without even running your jar.

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« Reply #52 - Posted 2010-04-16 12:09:18 »

all applet are now showing a dialog even unsigned , now I am really thinking of going away from java, Oracle sucks...

This looks like crazy talk, I've tested this u20 release, loaded several applets flawlessly and without any security warning - including some of the mentioned java4k games. I guess it's only the applets using mixed trusted/untrusted code that have such problems? Any links?
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« Reply #53 - Posted 2010-04-16 13:25:10 »

Looks like they fixed some of the u19 issues?

http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/6u20.html#otherbugfixes-6u20

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« Reply #54 - Posted 2010-04-16 15:16:18 »

Before this I had u17, I went to the Java control panel and clicked update now, then it installed me u20. I restarted browser then I tried one of the DzzD applets. The 3D Car game (software) showed me a dialog saying about the security certificate not being verified (e.g the usual one) I clicked accept, then it told me that applet used signed and unsigned components and if I want to disable them, I said no and the applet worked.
Okay, now I try 3D Car game (hardware), it takes a while to load, but no dialogs are shown it just works.
If I choose to "block unsafe components" then I get an exception, in the log it says sandbox loader tried to accept signed data or something like that.

So I guess its possible to make this work, as long as we follow the requirements it might be possible to just get the dialog about the security certificate like the usual and thats it.
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« Reply #55 - Posted 2010-04-17 16:09:41 »

I got a nice greeting when just starting up FF now... Will do wonders for the credibility of java Tongue I haven't installed u20 yet, is that also blocked? Seems to be confusion about that. read more

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« Reply #56 - Posted 2010-04-17 21:58:16 »

This is weird, because I have both version 6.0.170 and 6.0.200 and I never saw a window like this. Actually what is this "Java Deployment Toolkit" anyway? I've never seen it before.
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« Reply #57 - Posted 2010-04-18 01:53:28 »

Actually what is this "Java Deployment Toolkit" anyway? I've never seen it before.
This seems to explain it fairly well. Pretty sure that you will have it installed if you have java 6u10+. Maybe you need u19 specifically to get that pop-up message, but nasty enough to scare many average users away from java all together if they see that...

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« Reply #58 - Posted 2010-04-18 03:09:57 »

This seems to explain it fairly well. Pretty sure that you will have it installed if you have java 6u10+. Maybe you need u19 specifically to get that pop-up message, but nasty enough to scare many average users away from java all together if they see that...
But I doubt the average user would use the JDK, as long as the popup doesnt also apply for the JRE.

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« Reply #59 - Posted 2010-04-18 14:06:11 »

I just tried it with .20 on Windows and your game came up fine.

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