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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Posted 2009-04-03 15:13:44 »

I was thinking about that this morning, and I find that I've brought little to the Java gaming community in the last past months and more, for many reasons I won't explain here. But I have an idea that could help JGT to some extent because honestly I find the traffic to this site is really low and JGT deserves way more better visibility; the site is of high quality, gives a good impression and on top of that there're many great Java games already.

So, I was thinking about asking every game developer that has a web site to link back to JGT from their site. I mean, this is a really easy and quick action to do for anybody. With this action I don't expect a lot more traffic to JGT but who knows what it could do? I guess it would help to some extent at the very least.
ChrisM or any Sun employee, please help us. What could you do on your side? I'm sure you have some means in this regard.

Kingashi, could you provide us a small/medium image of the JGT logo that would be used to link back to JGT? I'll try to find time during launch to create one and propose it later. First I'll take the one from the site and simply do a resize. This will take a minute.

Thanks for help from anybody.

EDIT: JGT = Java Game Tome

Offline appel

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« Reply #1 - Posted 2009-04-03 15:19:32 »

What is JGT?

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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #2 - Posted 2009-04-03 15:32:10 »

Sorry, Java Game Tome. I assumed everybody knew that.  Smiley

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Offline appel

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« Reply #3 - Posted 2009-04-03 16:05:38 »

Sorry, Java Game Tome. I assumed everybody knew that.  Smiley

I think I've heard about this site before, never visited it.

Doesn't look very stylish, but there are many games there.

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Offline Markus_Persson

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« Reply #4 - Posted 2009-04-03 16:14:46 »

I'd rather not.. There's no inherent value in a game being made in java over any other technology.
Having a list of java games is just as pointless as having a list of C++ games would be. Sure, there's some value for people scouting out some technology (it shows what's possible and what the community looks like).

There is some value for the customer in having a site that lists free in-browser games, sure, but just listing games per technology?

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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #5 - Posted 2009-04-03 16:26:03 »

IMHO, this is about having a portal of Java games that offers some level of great content. It's not about technology even if the site mentions Java. Who cares about this aspect? You could have a portal of Flash games mentioning the tech. Would it be an issue? I don't think so.

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #6 - Posted 2009-04-03 16:29:04 »

I think it is a great idea for minigames.

It is kinda unreasonable for bigger games cause you want the user to stay at your game :/.
Offline DzzD
« Reply #7 - Posted 2009-04-03 17:15:26 »

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I'd rather not.. There's no inherent value in a game being made in java over any other technology.
I dont think so ? first thought when talking about Java is portability, java can be web casual game (pluginless)

Quote
There is some value for the customer in having a site that lists free in-browser games, sure, but just listing games per technology?
you 're right but maybe they can be an interrest, flash game are nearly all identical basically "2d sprite with lot of vectorial draw", Java can enable lot more powerfull application or at least different one  "looking for java game" could be a sinonym of looking for "other kind of game"

Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #8 - Posted 2009-04-03 17:32:46 »

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It is kinda unreasonable for bigger games cause you want the user to stay at your game :/.
Why??? Please explain your point because to me it's unclear.

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #9 - Posted 2009-04-03 17:45:19 »

because there is more depth.

If you play a minigame, then you finish and leave.

then instead jsut click a link saying, "more great java games".

however, with a big game, they (hopefully)will stay for a long period of time. They can do more things than in small games.


hope it made more sense Wink
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Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #10 - Posted 2009-04-03 17:53:16 »

Well, no matter the game, the goal of my request in this thread is to help Java game developers by having more visibility via JGT, hence having more hits with your games. JGT isn't the only mean to achieve this goal but it helps for sure. Understand that here I'm covering the aspect of initially attracting players as opposed to frequent game players.

Offline DzzD
« Reply #11 - Posted 2009-04-03 18:05:52 »

Quote
Well, no matter the game, the goal of my request in this thread is to help Java game developers by having more visibility via JGT, hence having more hits with your games. JGT isn't the only mean to achieve this goal but it helps for sure. Understand that here I'm covering the aspect of initially attracting players as opposed to frequent game players.
in another hand if you provide a Website with only few game but highend game (casual but great to play) I think you will gain in visibility. maybe too many game can become "counter productive"

Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #12 - Posted 2009-04-03 18:54:15 »

OK, I extracted the JGT logo and scaled it in 3 sizes: unscaled, 50% and 30%


http://www.freewebs.com/jeromeblouin/jgt/jgt-unscaled.jpg


http://www.freewebs.com/jeromeblouin/jgt/jgt-scaled0_50.jpg


http://www.freewebs.com/jeromeblouin/jgt/jgt-scaled0_30.jpg

What do you think? Do we want a modified/enhanced logo or this is good enough?

Offline noblemaster

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« Reply #13 - Posted 2009-04-03 20:40:28 »

I think that's a great idea! The banners look good. Let me fine-tune them some more (as I have the original) and put them onto the Java Game Tome.

PS: Also, if you have a Java game site that lists games, let me know and I'll link back to your site as well.


Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #14 - Posted 2009-04-03 21:16:08 »

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PS: Also, if you have a Java game site that lists games, let me know and I'll link back to your site as well.
Well, on my site I only have my own games. Is it what's you expect? And the 2 I'm talking about may not work well in Mac and Linux now. I need to update their dependencies...which shouldn't take long time.

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #15 - Posted 2009-04-03 22:19:49 »

I think that's a great idea! The banners look good. Let me fine-tune them some more (as I have the original) and put them onto the Java Game Tome.

PS: Also, if you have a Java game site that lists games, let me know and I'll link back to your site as well.



check out JFG (I think it is called that atleast  Roll Eyes)

it's got some good 3D games.
Offline TheAnalogKid

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« Reply #16 - Posted 2009-04-03 22:32:20 »

Hmmm, I think it doesn't exist anymore. Have a valid link?

Offline bobjob

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« Reply #17 - Posted 2009-04-03 22:38:22 »

wow I dont understand why this thread was met with negativity at the start.
This is a great idea. It can only help the community, there is no real negative side effect.(except maybe no side effect, but still worth a shot).

DzzD made a few good points.
"looking for java game" could be a sinonym of looking for "other kind of game"
totally!!!!!!!! people are always looking for something fresh and different on the net.

in another hand if you provide a Website with only few game but highend game (casual but great to play) I think you will gain in visibility. maybe too many game can become "counter productive"
I agree, sadly I think alot of people might get insulted if there games are not excepted on a "high end" site, but I really think this is a good idea for the reputation of Java gaming (for the professional side of things).
problem is getting someone to make one, and maintain it.

but yeah if all Java gaming sites could be linked to JGT that'd be awsome. Hopefully The Tome gets more developer friendly in the future.

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Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #18 - Posted 2009-04-03 22:40:26 »

Hmmm, I think it doesn't exist anymore. Have a valid link?

search it on facebook.

there is also a website, I jsut dont know the url.
Offline CyanPrime
« Reply #19 - Posted 2009-04-03 23:03:35 »

I'll be honest, I'm not really feeling the love enough to do this, which is a shame, as I normally love helping out communities. I really feel like me and my games aren't cared about here. I get very little feedback, if any, and most people who do give feed back never check my games out again to see what's different. Maybe if there was a review swap like place where I could go post five reviews for other peoples games, than in return get five back I'd feel more like people even noticed me here, but right now I just don't think that this, or any other java community is worth putting any effort into helping. I think we need to have tighter bonds here and more usefullness before we ask something like this.

Also, I'd much prefer a youtube type site where we could upload our own JWS/applets, have them rated and commented on, and have the best displayed on the front page.
Offline bobjob

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« Reply #20 - Posted 2009-04-03 23:13:24 »

I'll be honest, I'm not really feeling the love enough to do this, which is a shame, as I normally love helping out communities. I really feel like me and my games aren't cared about here. I get very little feedback, if any, and most people who do give feed back never check my games out again to see what's different. Maybe if there was a review swap like place where I could go post five reviews for other peoples games, than in return get five back I'd feel more like people even noticed me here, but right now I just don't think that this, or any other java community is worth putting any effort into helping. I think we need to have tighter bonds here and more usefullness before we ask something like this.

Also, I'd much prefer a youtube type site where we could upload our own JWS/applets, have them rated and commented on, and have the best displayed on the front page.
I think you could probably start a new thread with this comment. It may not get much attention as it seems a bit off topic. But yeah its an interesting point and I dont wanna ignore you as it seems to be what upsets you about this community so...One good thing about youtube and such, is that when you comment on a topic its easy for others to get a feel for what you are doing/into by just clicking on your name. were as this is barely possible with javaGaming.org as you can only get a little bit from peoples sigs.

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Offline CyanPrime
« Reply #21 - Posted 2009-04-03 23:25:00 »

I think you could probably start a new thread with this comment. It may not get much attention as it seems a bit off topic. But yeah its an interesting point and I dont wanna ignore you as it seems to be what upsets you about this community so...One good thing about youtube and such, is that when you comment a person its easy for others to get a feel for you and what your doing/into by just clicking on your name. were as this is barely possible with javaGaming.org as you can only get a little bit from peoples sigs.

You have a point there, so I started this thread: http://www.java-gaming.org/topics/the-main-problem-with-this-community/20207/view.html

Anyway, yeah. Youtube is a great model for what web 2.0 is, and I think we would benefit from a site like it for java greatly.
Offline pjt33
« Reply #22 - Posted 2009-04-04 00:56:00 »

Also, I'd much prefer a youtube type site where we could upload our own JWS/applets, have them rated and commented on, and have the best displayed on the front page.
Kongregate for Java? Makes sense. It would be better if Kongregate widened out slightly to do Flash or Java minigames, but I don't see that happening.
Offline ChrisM

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« Reply #23 - Posted 2009-04-04 01:47:31 »

I'd rather not.. There's no inherent value in a game being made in java over any other technology.
Having a list of java games is just as pointless as having a list of C++ games would be. Sure, there's some value for people scouting out some technology (it shows what's possible and what the community looks like).

There is some value for the customer in having a site that lists free in-browser games, sure, but just listing games per technology?

From the developer perspective, knowing what tech is used for which game is good to know Wink

Offline intempo

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« Reply #24 - Posted 2009-04-04 03:44:14 »

I was going to add a 'More games' page to my Web site. I like JGT and it seems to be a good candidate to this list. Currently, not all of new visitors stay to play my games. As they leave anyway, I do not think that it hurts me if they get an extra option to go to JGT Smiley

Offline Xyle
« Reply #25 - Posted 2009-04-04 05:37:24 »

I also agree, this is a great idea.

Even though my site is and will be dedicated to hosting the java games I create and may be vying for users. I believe its great for java sites to share each others links and promote each other. I'll put the beer down and get to cracking on this right away. I need to add a link list to my site for just such an occasion.

JGT really does a great job and a great service and the site looks very good.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #26 - Posted 2009-04-04 11:08:46 »

Dunno what to say really... I've posted less and less on JGO though I still check it about, oooh, 20 times a day.

I have a few thoughts about it.

One thought is, that this started out as a developers site, for people interested in using Java as the primary development tool for games. We swapped tidbits of information, and bug reports, and occasionally Sun noticed something too. However I think that as the forum grew it suffered some organisational pains and got split up into far too many subtopics (especially considering the number of actual regular posters).

The whole Java Game Tome thing is nice and all but... it's a consumer site, for people interested in playing games... except: consumers generally don't care what technology goes into making a game, they just want to play something that works. Clearly the games on JGT are just developer trinkets though - for that reason I've entirely distanced myself from it as I don't want our games appearing alongside what amounts to developer experiments and freeware as we'd make the rest of them look like shit. It's harsh criticism but entirely justified. Those are developers games made for developers. If you want to really understand what goes into making games... well, I was going to say there are forums like the indiegamer forums except that a similar transition seems to be occurring over there too: the old timers don't post much any more, forums flooded with n00bs, and generally the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where there's generally no reason to use it much any more.

There's almost absolutely nobody really trying to make professional games on JGO, which is a little odd, isn't it?

So I think my rambling and ranting is trying to say, in a roundabout way, where's the focus? I mean, who's it aimed at? What's it for? Start by defining that and then rebuild it from scratch and if anything doesn't contribute directly to that focus, ditch it.

I expect this post looks massively harsh and arrogant and I expect gouessej to get extra cross but there you have it.

Cas Smiley

Offline h3ckboy

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« Reply #27 - Posted 2009-04-04 11:14:40 »

I believe JFG is part of goussej's job.

also I think he works on tuer at work? cause he has talked about his funding a few times.
Offline Markus_Persson

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« Reply #28 - Posted 2009-04-04 11:38:29 »

As a developer, I definitely love seeing what other java game devs are doing. And for that, forums like this are awesome.
But the java game tome looks like it's trying to target end users.. if the only reason a user finds my games is that it's a java game, I'm doing something very wrong.
My applet games regularely get referred to as "flash games", and I consider that a good thing. It means the experience is so transparent to the user that he or she doesn't realize that it's a java applet. I'm not going to go out of my way to inform the user that it's made in java, and it's definitely not my job to spread the word about how many OTHER great java games there are, as those are direct competition and often of very poor quality.

I will, however, link to thinks I like, regardless of what technology it is made in.

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Offline princec

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« Reply #29 - Posted 2009-04-04 12:18:51 »

Hear hear!

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